BBO Discussion Forums: Coronavirus - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 77 Pages +
  • « First
  • 70
  • 71
  • 72
  • 73
  • 74
  • Last »
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Coronavirus Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it

#1421 User is offline   Winstonm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 16,242
  • Joined: 2005-January-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma
  • Interests:Art, music

Posted 2021-June-13, 12:51

View Postjohnu, on 2021-June-12, 22:36, said:

Hey now! Louie Gohmert is one of the most stable genius Republicans in Congress if you look at the competence and intelligence curve. Unfortunately, instead of flattening the Covid curve, Republicans pancaked, flattened, stomped on their own competence and intelligence curve so that any Republican with a pulse is at the top of the curve.

I am still hoping Republicans get their act together so they can put together a united front to let the red counties secede from the USA, again.


I'm coming around on your idea about secession - and after the next civil war there will be no reconstruction - only hangings for treason.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Black Lives Matter.
0

#1422 User is offline   Chas_P 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 1,327
  • Joined: 2008-September-03
  • Location:Gainesville, GA USA

Posted 2021-June-13, 18:26

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-June-13, 12:51, said:

I'm coming around on your idea about secession - and after the next civil war there will be no reconstruction - only hangings for treason.

As Einstein said, "The only difference between genius and idiocy is that genius has limits." Just sayin'.............

#1423 User is offline   pilowsky 

  • pilowsky
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,364
  • Joined: 2019-October-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia
  • Interests:Writing, Learning, History, Politics

Posted 2021-June-13, 19:19

The Boy scouts in America are simultaneously putting an end to racism and coronavirus.
Some in Florida think it's all political.

Quote

Fans of the Brooksville Raid reenactment said they were disappointed that the 2021 event was being canceled, but understood the need for coronavirus safety precautions, and said that they hoped it would return in 2022. Some reenactment fans, however, questioned whether the event was actually being canceled due to the racial unrest throughout the country since George Floyd's death in the middle of May.

'Let's be honest, this is not about corona,' one Facebook user wrote.

'Is this also due to fear of it being a racist event? I am truly saddened at the cancel culture that's now encroached to our county!!' another Facebook user wrote.

'The virus is just an excuse, to stop them, tell the truth, it's all about the racism tensions,' a Facebook user wrote.

'This is all political. While you're at it the mural in Brooksville should be taken down too. Bunch of weak people here,' wrote another Facebook user.

The Brooksville Raid organizers responded to the last poster, stating that they did not cancel the event, reiterating that the Boy Scout council opted not to renew the contract and that 'We were currently planning for 2021 when this happened.'

Although raid reenactment fans said that racial unrest and threats of violence against reenactments have been a problem in the last few years, they do believe that the event's stated 'profitability' claim is the actual reason behind the 2021 cancellation.

In the past, the raid had been viewed as a tourism booster, as well as a reasonably-priced family-oriented event – admission was $10 per adult and $5 for under 12s and free for children under 5. More than a thousand visitors traveling from across the state to attend it.

non est deus ex machina; även maskiner behöver lite kärlek, J'ai toujours misé sur l'étrange gentillesse des robots.
0

#1424 User is offline   shyams 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,379
  • Joined: 2009-August-02
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dubai, UAE

Posted 2021-June-14, 15:36

Why does the BBC report the Govt. spin as if it were fact? The new article by Nick Triggle (link) is merely parroting the party line without questioning a single statistic or hypothesis.

For example,

1. The much-touted herd immunity rate was somewhere around 65% of the population. England has already vaccinated 80% of all adults (which, probably is ~65% of the population). This number will rise by a further 2%-4% by June 21st. In effect, the herd immunity levels may have been reached -- so why is BBC not challenging the UK Govt on this point.

2. The original objective of the lockdown was "Protect the NHS". There is absolutely no indication that the infections are resulting in actual increase in ICU patients or in deaths or in any way stressing the NHS. If the very foundation of the lockdown no longer exists, why can't the BBC challenge the UK Govt about their rationale for deferring the normalcy date?

The BBC may not be in a position to assess if the deferral is merited or not. However, I find it really difficult to believe that the BBC has (over the past two weeks) only pushed the Govt's assessment of how a delay is important -- without giving any consideration to counter facts or counter arguments or robust challenges.

Annoying!
0

#1425 User is offline   johnu 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,273
  • Joined: 2008-September-10
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2021-June-14, 16:23

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-June-13, 12:51, said:

I'm coming around on your idea about secession - and after the next civil war there will be no reconstruction - only hangings for treason.


There is absolutely no need for a civil war. Once people come to their senses and acknowledge that letting the confederate states back into the union was a terrible mistake, it will be easy to pass a constitutional amendment allowing red counties to secede and join the New Confederacy.

After a secession amendment is passed, there would be a county by county vote on whether to secede. Counties voting to secede by 50.000+% would be free to create whatever kind of national government they want, and negotiate with Blue USA over trade and national security issues.

After the formation of the New Confederacy, counties could switch countries by holding an election and if 55% want to switch, they can after a 20 year probation period. Counties that elected people like Gohmert, Gaetz, Taylor Green, Jordan, Cruz, Cotton, Bachmann, McConnell, etc would need 60% to switch and have a 50 year probation.
0

#1426 User is offline   Winstonm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 16,242
  • Joined: 2005-January-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma
  • Interests:Art, music

Posted 2021-June-14, 16:56

View Postjohnu, on 2021-June-14, 16:23, said:

There is absolutely no need for a civil war. Once people come to their senses and acknowledge that letting the confederate states back into the union was a terrible mistake, it will be easy to pass a constitutional amendment allowing red counties to secede and join the New Confederacy.

After a secession amendment is passed, there would be a county by county vote on whether to secede. Counties voting to secede by 50.000+% would be free to create whatever kind of national government they want, and negotiate with Blue USA over trade and national security issues.

After the formation of the New Confederacy, counties could switch countries by holding an election and if 55% want to switch, they can after a 20 year probation period. Counties that elected people like Gohmert, Gaetz, Taylor Green, Jordan, Cruz, Cotton, Bachmann, McConnell, etc would need 60% to switch and have a 50 year probation.

And after the new confederacy is established we invade and pass new versions of Jim Crow laws that make rebels second class citizens without voting rights .
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Black Lives Matter.
0

#1427 User is online   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,402
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2021-June-14, 18:13

View Postshyams, on 2021-June-14, 15:36, said:

Why does the BBC report the Govt. spin as if it were fact? The new article by Nick Triggle (link) is merely parroting the party line without questioning a single statistic or hypothesis.

For example,

1. The much-touted herd immunity rate was somewhere around 65% of the population. England has already vaccinated 80% of all adults (which, probably is ~65% of the population). This number will rise by a further 2%-4% by June 21st. In effect, the herd immunity levels may have been reached -- so why is BBC not challenging the UK Govt on this point.

2. The original objective of the lockdown was "Protect the NHS". There is absolutely no indication that the infections are resulting in actual increase in ICU patients or in deaths or in any way stressing the NHS. If the very foundation of the lockdown no longer exists, why can't the BBC challenge the UK Govt about their rationale for deferring the normalcy date?

The BBC may not be in a position to assess if the deferral is merited or not. However, I find it really difficult to believe that the BBC has (over the past two weeks) only pushed the Govt's assessment of how a delay is important -- without giving any consideration to counter facts or counter arguments or robust challenges.

Annoying!

I am no fan of Nick Triggle, as is documented elsewhere in this thread. But this article seems fine.

0. The information given is not based on the government's "party line", but on the modelling done by independent scientists part of SAGE. I think this distinction is important. It's also roughly in line with what others have predicted based on simple extrapolations or more sophisticated models.
For the near future, it's really simple: cases are now growing fast, with a doubling time of 10-14 days. Hospitalizations are still following that growth - roughly, they are 4-5% of cases 10 days before.

Now to respond to your specific points:
1. Only 57% of adults have had both shots, one dose is less effective against delta, and the higher transmissibilty delta unfortunately raises the herd immunity threshold. Also, vaccinating by age means you effectively need a higher threshold, as most 20 year olds are more likely to hang out with other 20 year olds than with 70 year olds.

2. As I said, cases are rising fast, hospitalizations are starting to follow. The NHS could "cope" with a similar wave as in January, but it would mean it had to stop doing a lot of other things again. Not sure we really want to increase the NHS backlog.

Today's decision was really inevitable.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#1428 User is offline   johnu 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,273
  • Joined: 2008-September-10
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2021-June-14, 19:12

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-June-14, 16:56, said:

And after the new confederacy is established we invade and pass new versions of Jim Crow laws that make rebels second class citizens without voting rights .


Build that wall!!! Build that wall!!! Republicans will pay for the wall!!!
1

#1429 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,154
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2021-June-14, 22:03

View Postshyams, on 2021-June-14, 15:36, said:

Why does the BBC report the Govt. spin as if it were fact? The new article by Nick Triggle (link) is merely parroting the party line without questioning a single statistic or hypothesis.

For example,

1. The much-touted herd immunity rate was somewhere around 65% of the population. England has already vaccinated 80% of all adults (which, probably is ~65% of the population). This number will rise by a further 2%-4% by June 21st. In effect, the herd immunity levels may have been reached -- so why is BBC not challenging the UK Govt on this point.

2. The original objective of the lockdown was "Protect the NHS". There is absolutely no indication that the infections are resulting in actual increase in ICU patients or in deaths or in any way stressing the NHS. If the very foundation of the lockdown no longer exists, why can't the BBC challenge the UK Govt about their rationale for deferring the normalcy date?

The BBC may not be in a position to assess if the deferral is merited or not. However, I find it really difficult to believe that the BBC has (over the past two weeks) only pushed the Govt's assessment of how a delay is important -- without giving any consideration to counter facts or counter arguments or robust challenges.

Annoying!


Have you bothered to do even the slightest amount of reading about the Delta variant before posting this nonsense? (You know, the variant that is now responsible for 90% of all new cases in the UK)

Annoying!
Alderaan delenda est
0

#1430 User is offline   shyams 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,379
  • Joined: 2009-August-02
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dubai, UAE

Posted 2021-June-15, 01:34

View Posthrothgar, on 2021-June-14, 22:03, said:

Have you bothered to do even the slightest amount of reading about the Delta variant before posting this nonsense? (You know, the variant that is now responsible for 90% of all new cases in the UK)

Annoying!

Are you assuming that I did not? Simply to take inane potshots when the opportunity arises? Go ahead.

PS: Is it because you Americans chose a terrible President to replace the Clown President and I had the temerity to call him out as bad?
0

#1431 User is online   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,402
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2021-June-15, 01:39

View Postshyams, on 2021-June-15, 01:34, said:

PS: Is it because you Americans chose a terrible President to replace the Clown President and I had the temerity to call him out as bad?

No.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#1432 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,154
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2021-June-15, 03:55

View Postshyams, on 2021-June-15, 01:34, said:

Are you assuming that I did not?


Yes

Because the alternative is that you're too stupid to read a short article and draw obvious conclusions.

1. The Delta variant is at least 30% more communicable that early variants (perhaps twice as much so)
2. A single jab of two dose vaccines offers enormously less protection against Delta
3. Delta makes up 90% of the new infections in the UK

And you need to ask why earlier estimates about herd immunity levels no longer seem to carry as much weight?

OK fine.
You have done your reading.

You're just an idiot.
Alderaan delenda est
0

#1433 User is offline   thepossum 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,221
  • Joined: 2018-July-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia

Posted 2021-June-15, 04:42

Wondering when the world will wake up after a year and half of destruction of life, mass profits to testing corporations, PPE corporations, vaccine corporations, drug treatment corporations, other treatment corporations, research corporations,increased surveillance over our lives, big profits to all techs especially those in surveillance and related technologies

People still falling for technofascistic BS

Oops sorry forgot all the media fascism too. Possibly the worst of the lot

But hey. We are getting so many learnings from this devastation of so many people's lives maybe we will do better next time
0

#1434 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,154
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2021-June-15, 05:02

View Postthepossum, on 2021-June-15, 04:42, said:

Wondering when the world will wake up after a year and half of destruction of life, mass profits to testing corporations, PPE corporations, vaccine corporations, increased surveillance over our lives, big profits to all techs especially those in surveillance and related technologies


The official daily COVID death count in India is around 4K per day
Its widely believed that these estimates are off by an order of magnitude (and not in a good way)

That same delta variant is now widespread in the UK and starting to spread in the US.

Yes, the world needs to wake up, but attacking organized responses to the virus doesn't seem particularly helpful

What's your suggestion about what needs to be done differently?
Alderaan delenda est
0

#1435 User is offline   thepossum 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,221
  • Joined: 2018-July-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia

Posted 2021-June-15, 05:05

I'm just pointing out the obvious fascism and use of a situation Richard

Sorry for editing while you had replied

I have just been frightened by a year or more of BS and lack of questions by anyone

Herd immunity BS etc

Indefinite variants, indefinite testing opportunity, indefinite vaccine opportunity, indefinite surveillance etc

Jumping on questioners. Silencing. Coverup of potential causes of pandemic etc

What else. Covid the only problem the world faces it seems etc
0

#1436 User is offline   thepossum 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,221
  • Joined: 2018-July-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia

Posted 2021-June-15, 05:15

Sorry for sounding like a conspiracy theorist. I just have a very dark view of humanity sometimes and their various motives
0

#1437 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,154
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2021-June-15, 05:38

View Postthepossum, on 2021-June-15, 05:05, said:


Indefinite variants, indefinite testing opportunity, indefinite vaccine opportunity, indefinite surveillance etc

Jumping on questioners. Silencing. Coverup of potential causes of pandemic etc



Few high level comments:

1. I agree that a whole bunch of people have been jumping on CONVID denialists, anti-vaxxers, and the like

These people are sociopathic loons, and during a pandemic like COVID, they are both incredibly dangerous to have around and do enormous economic damage.

2. I also agree that the whole lab leak hypothesis was treated with enormous skepticism when folks like Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeo wer advancing it last year. Right now, it seems to be experiencing something of a Renaissance. I personally doubt that we will ever know with real certainty what happened. The one thing that I do know is the there is a reason that the story of the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" has persisted for thousands of years. (And, there is a reason why this story got new legs when a new and more credible administration entered office)

3. It's far from clear how many variants of COVID will be able to emerge. I have heard claims that geometry of the COVID spike proteins are only capable of a fairly limited set of changes, so, with luck we'll (eventually) have them all under control. Until then, life is going to be pretty shitty. I had been hoping to be vacationing abroad in late fall / winter. Things are starting to look more doubtful, especially given my typical travel destinations.
Alderaan delenda est
0

#1438 User is online   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,402
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2021-June-15, 06:18

Sorry for sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I just believe that there is this vast but secret, global, collaborative effort to make us all us all afraid, and to cover up the real situation, just so that the global elite can continue pocketing its money and cement its power via its ubiquitous secret network that shows up everywhere, whether it's a meeting of the cabinet or the Rowan street homeowner's association.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#1439 User is offline   Winstonm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 16,242
  • Joined: 2005-January-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma
  • Interests:Art, music

Posted 2021-June-15, 06:20

View Postcherdano, on 2021-June-15, 06:18, said:

Sorry for sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I just believe that there is this vast but secret, global, collaborative effort to make us all us all afraid, and to cover up the real situation, just so that the global elite can continue pocketing its money and cement its power via its ubiquitous secret network that shows up everywhere, whether it's a meeting of the cabinet or the Rowan street homeowner's association.

You forgot Q😏
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Black Lives Matter.
0

#1440 User is offline   pilowsky 

  • pilowsky
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,364
  • Joined: 2019-October-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia
  • Interests:Writing, Learning, History, Politics

Posted 2021-June-15, 15:43

Good grief.
Forget about "lab leaks" - or mad molecular scientists for that matter.
The scientists have been saying exactly the same thing since this started.
Now that Trump is out the same 76 million people that voted for Trump are ballooning their BS because - well - they have nothing better to do.
There was no lab leak, Arizona voted for Biden, the tooth fairy does not exist and Big Bird isn't funny.
non est deus ex machina; även maskiner behöver lite kärlek, J'ai toujours misé sur l'étrange gentillesse des robots.
0

Share this topic:


  • 77 Pages +
  • « First
  • 70
  • 71
  • 72
  • 73
  • 74
  • Last »
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

4 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 4 guests, 0 anonymous users