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Posted 2018-February-28, 17:26
3NT now is ...
If you feel that N should have come in over 3C, the poll for that part of the auction is here: https://bridgewinner...m-2-12hzwxmho7/
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"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2018-February-28, 17:53
I would pass. 3♥ or 3NT could work, of course.
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Posted 2018-February-28, 17:58
I'd bid 3N
Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds
Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:22
hrothgar, on 2018-February-28, 17:58, said:
I'd bid 3N
Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds
Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds
But what can he have that he doesn't open 1♦ or 2♦ ? This is somewhat style dependent, and the correct bid may depend on that, we'd open most of the hands where 3N makes.
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:26
this was with a BBO random nutcase so it's more a theoretical question, but for the sake of the question assume 2/1 5542 relatively solid preempts and three weak 2's
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:31
I think pd has 6♦+4M and not enough to open 1♦, which also explains why he did not open weak 2♦ (due to side major).
He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.
In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.
This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.
I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.
I am bidding 4♣ now.
He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.
In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.
This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.
I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.
I am bidding 4♣ now.
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:34
MrAce, on 2018-February-28, 18:31, said:
I think pd has 6♦+4M and not enough to open 1♦, which also explains why he did not open weak 2♦ (due to side major).
He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.
In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.
This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.
I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.
I am bidding 4♣ now.
He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.
In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.
This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.
I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.
I am bidding 4♣ now.
as I said, I polled that elsewhere, but I think it's real close
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:36
eagles123, on 2018-February-28, 18:34, said:
as I said, I polled that elsewhere, but I think it's real close
Yes, in BW and I voted there too.
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:40
MrAce, on 2018-February-28, 18:36, said:
Yes, in BW and I voted there too.
Yes, I saw that Timo, I didn't mean it negatively lol, just to point again people for the other decision in what i think is an interesting hand
It was nothing against u dude
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:48
eagles123, on 2018-February-28, 18:40, said:
Yes, I saw that Timo, I didn't mean it negatively lol, just to point again people for the other decision in what i think is an interesting hand
It was nothing against u dude
It was nothing against u dude
I know m8, all good. I was not offended. You are one of the guys I like a lot in these forums.
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Posted 2018-February-28, 18:56
lol I feel the same bro 
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Posted 2018-February-28, 19:00
Cyberyeti, on 2018-February-28, 18:22, said:
But what can he have that he doesn't open 1♦ or 2♦ ? This is somewhat style dependent, and the correct bid may depend on that, we'd open most of the hands where 3N makes.
♠ Qxxx
♥ VOID
♦ Axxxxx
♣Kxx
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Posted 2018-February-28, 20:34
I just don't see bidding 3 NT with this hand. If you do so, you're betting that partner can provide a ♣ stopper or that ♣ block. With ♣ 432 in hand, I just don't like those odds.
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Posted 2018-March-01, 02:48
eagles123, on 2018-February-28, 17:26, said:
3NT now is ...
If you feel that N should have come in over 3C, the poll for that part of the auction is here: https://bridgewinner...m-2-12hzwxmho7/
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I wouldn't take any action at all Yes it may sound craven but there's no point in trying to be heroic either...the cemeteries are full
of "Heroes" So gimmee the "White Feathers" now
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Posted 2018-March-01, 03:24
I'm attracted to a 3NT bid in a masochistic sort of way.
the 3♣ bidder probably won't have a running suit (they might open 3NT). So either partner or RHO has a club honour and it is more likely to be partner since he is showing some values.
Of course partner's club holding might be ♣K or ♣QX ... but if you bid it confidently he might lead something else.
Risky. But I might do it.
the 3♣ bidder probably won't have a running suit (they might open 3NT). So either partner or RHO has a club honour and it is more likely to be partner since he is showing some values.
Of course partner's club holding might be ♣K or ♣QX ... but if you bid it confidently he might lead something else.
Risky. But I might do it.
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Posted 2018-March-01, 03:32
Any two aces make 3nt, with dQ falling.
Both red aces with P, if E is void in c.
But what are the odds? Not good enough to me.
I would expect myself to Pass.
Both red aces with P, if E is void in c.
But what are the odds? Not good enough to me.
I would expect myself to Pass.
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Posted 2018-March-01, 04:55
If we play in 3D (tick I guess) but everyone else make 3N then we lose ~9imps and partner is a little irritated you didn’t X
If we try 3NT and everyone else is it in: it’s a push but partner is aware that you took a big position when X is normal
If everyone else was in 3D but you make 3NT then of course you gain ~9 imps, and partner smiles, but in a funny sort of way
If everyone else was in 3D but you slip -1 in 3N we lose ~6imps, and partner is not amused
And if you try 3N but S had Kx C and East leads eg JC you are going to feel very queasy and S....well at the minimum that’s the last time S will balance weak in future. 3N-4 cf 3D tick just costs the 12imps. And if East suddenly awakes and doubles then it’s just the 15 imps. South apologises to the Director and leaves the club complaining of a terrible headache, and your calls will not be returned
So put me down for Pass and see if E awakens. Even if not let partner have the pleasure of a useful + score, making an imp because it was played so well as everyone else is in 3D too. It we missed 3N then apologise immediately and turn to the next hand asap: your turn at the bar, again!
If we try 3NT and everyone else is it in: it’s a push but partner is aware that you took a big position when X is normal
If everyone else was in 3D but you make 3NT then of course you gain ~9 imps, and partner smiles, but in a funny sort of way
If everyone else was in 3D but you slip -1 in 3N we lose ~6imps, and partner is not amused
And if you try 3N but S had Kx C and East leads eg JC you are going to feel very queasy and S....well at the minimum that’s the last time S will balance weak in future. 3N-4 cf 3D tick just costs the 12imps. And if East suddenly awakes and doubles then it’s just the 15 imps. South apologises to the Director and leaves the club complaining of a terrible headache, and your calls will not be returned
So put me down for Pass and see if E awakens. Even if not let partner have the pleasure of a useful + score, making an imp because it was played so well as everyone else is in 3D too. It we missed 3N then apologise immediately and turn to the next hand asap: your turn at the bar, again!
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Posted 2018-March-01, 05:04
hrothgar, on 2018-February-28, 19:00, said:
♠ Qxxx
♥ VOID
♦ Axxxxx
♣Kxx
♥ VOID
♦ Axxxxx
♣Kxx
28 zar points a standard 1♦ opener
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Posted 2018-March-01, 05:34
kbrat, on 2018-March-01, 03:32, said:
Any two aces make 3nt, with dQ falling.
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Posted 2018-March-01, 05:54
hrothgar, on 2018-February-28, 19:00, said:
♠ Qxxx
♥ VOID
♦ Axxxxx
♣Kxx
♥ VOID
♦ Axxxxx
♣Kxx
Easy 1♦ for us, and btw a 4 card major doesn't put us off a weak 2. The only hand I could come up with was 7 diamonds to the ace and the club ace, we wouldn't preempt with 2 aces.
More interesting question if your openers are more standard