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Matchpoints double? Penalise 3H or not

Poll: Matchpoints double? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

Double

  1. clear cut double (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  2. double, but it's close (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  3. pass, but it's close (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  4. clear cut pass (19 votes [59.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 59.38%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2016-August-10, 10:20



MPs scoring, weak field. Double here would be penalty (should it be?), would you make one here?
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Posted 2016-August-10, 11:26

Yes I think double should be penalty, or at least penalty-oriented.

No, I don't double. -50 and -100 is probably the same and I don't believe it goes two down, especially if I tell them about the trump split.

Besides, their auction could be interpreted as invitational, and it would be silly to double 3 if we otherwise got the chance to double 4.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 13:42

Is a Precision 1 opening max 15 hcp. Not liking my chances, will wait for 4.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 14:52

The only reason to double is to buy the contract undoubled when partner runs to 3.

Too narrow a target especially when on my card that isn't even worth a 1nt bid. If it is for you, certainly it's a minimum?
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Posted 2016-August-10, 15:04

View Postggwhiz, on 2016-August-10, 14:52, said:

Too narrow a target especially when on my card that isn't even worth a 1nt bid. If it is for you, certainly it's a minimum?



1 NT response is good imo. It really may improve the partscore we play, especially if pd bids hearts or clubs. At MP this becomes even more attractive, don't you think?
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Posted 2016-August-10, 15:04

Dbl post, deleted.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 15:36

Is it even penalties? We have the meta-agreement that if opponents bid and raise a suit, doubles below game are take-out.

Responding to a take-out double is not the same as bidding a suit, but .... - I'm not risking partner interpreting this as take-out.

I pass.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 15:44

View PostMrAce, on 2016-August-10, 15:04, said:

1 NT response is good imo. It really may improve the partscore we play, especially if pd bids hearts or clubs. At MP this becomes even more attractive, don't you think?


I don't mind it at all but my partnership is allergic to bidding notrump with a stiff or non constructive values and we tend to play imps style at mp's and hope for the best.

1nt is a legitimate bid here but is it not a rock bottom minimum?
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Posted 2016-August-10, 15:45

View Postggwhiz, on 2016-August-10, 15:44, said:

I don't mind it at all but my partnership is allergic to bidding notrump with a stiff or non constructive values when we can avoid it.

1nt is a legitimate bid here in your style but is it not a rock bottom minimum?


Vs 11-15 1 it is minimum. Not minimum vs 11-21 1 though.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 20:15

Pass.

Partner's showing length which coupled with a stiff A isn't necessarily good for the defense. You may have a duplication of values which limits the defensive trick potential of the hand.

If partner has a minimum, defeating 3 might be very difficult.

Making a penalty double is wishful thinking and may spill the beans about .

Best to sit this one out.
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Posted 2016-August-10, 22:58

Pass. It's not clear cut but this kind of double has bit me in the ass more times than I can count. LHO heard my 1NT bid and still raised hearts. My heart trick(s) could easily vaporize.
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Posted 2016-August-11, 00:25

Clear cut pass. The hand is clearly distributional. Declarer will undoubtedly play you for the s, and your partner is under the doubler so any potential minor suit winners he might have could disappear.

I'm happier (god knows why?) doubling a game that makes than doubling a part score into game, so will certainly double if they end up in 4 (as other commentators have indicated).

As for MPs, weak field, well they might be a tad timid bidding game - with all 4 players having bid - I personally feel, but if you get a better than average score by passing, I am happy with that too :)

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Posted 2016-August-11, 00:25

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Posted 2016-August-11, 06:29

I pass but it is close.
They might well go down 2 and then not doubling could be expensive.
In my experience take-out doubler almost always raises in this position with 4 cards in hearts being not vulnerable.
It looks likely to me that we have 2 heart tricks, 2 spade tricks and at least one trick in the minors.
So the question boils down to, is it more likely they go down 2 or that they will make?
I admit I really don't know but I suspect that the matchpoint winnners would double frequently.

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Posted 2016-August-11, 11:55

View Postmanudude03, on 2016-August-10, 10:20, said:



MPs scoring, weak field. Double here would be penalty (should it be?), would you make one here?


After a 1NT bid (and the one here is bare-basement minimum; I would have considered a pass on the first round), a X in this situation is penalty unless you have an agreement otherwise.

I don't know why you would want to X, though. If partner just has a pile of spades headed by KQJ and maybe an outside Ace, then the opponents are likely making 3h; where are your tricks? If, on the other hand, partner has minor-suit defensive cards, then you probably aren't making 2S, so there is no need to X 3h.

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Posted 2016-August-11, 14:00

View Postggwhiz, on 2016-August-10, 14:52, said:

The only reason to double is to buy the contract undoubled when partner runs to 3.

Too narrow a target especially when on my card that isn't even worth a 1nt bid. If it is for you, certainly it's a minimum?

Why not worth 1N?
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