[manudude03]

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MPs scoring, weak field. Partner is limited to 15HCP (basic strong club system). Over 2N, partner could have shown shortage with 3x, or a good 5 card suit with 4x. Do you leave it or bid on?

And no, we were not playing strong jump shifts before anyone suggests 3H.

[mikeh]

none of your poll options work for me. I would have liked the option of passing and telling partner (after the game) that our partnership is over. I cannot imagine a hand that justifies 6♠. He is an idiot, a beginner, someone who doesn't trust me at all, or some combination thereof.

[SteveMoe]

6♠ is a transfer to another partner.

[nige1]

manudude03, on 2015-July-06, 18:00, said:

MPs scoring, weak field. Partner is limited to 15HCP (basic strong club system). Over 2N, partner could have shown shortage with 3x, or a good 5 card suit with 4x. Do you leave it or bid on?
And no, we were not playing strong jump shifts before anyone suggests 3H.

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IMO 7♠ = 10, Pass = 9. Undisciplined But It's hard to imagine a hand for partner without play for 7♠
I'll apologise if partner gambled with something like ♠ A K x x x x ♥ - ♦ K Q J x x ♣ x x -- unless he makes it

[Dinarius]

Are you playing Benjamin 2s, or any kind of strong 2s?

It's hard to imagine a hand that can justify a 6 Spades rebid that couldn't justify an 8-playing tricks opening in the first place.

D.

[gwnn]

Partner has KTxxxxxx - AQJxx - and thinks we can't bid the grand anyways. I don't agree with him even if that's his hand but I'm not sure if I wanna break up the partnership just yet.

[rhm]

mikeh, on 2015-July-06, 18:25, said:

none of your poll options work for me. I would have liked the option of passing and telling partner (after the game) that our partnership is over. I cannot imagine a hand that justifies 6♠. He is an idiot, a beginner, someone who doesn't trust me at all, or some combination thereof.

Maybe Bridge players like you, who denigrate their partners without having even seen their partners hand, are no great loss as Bridge partners anyway.

Rainer Herrmann

[Dinarius]

As well as my question above about whether or not you're playing any kind of strong 2s; given the total lack of interference by the opposition, surely a jump to 6 Spades has to be totally unnecessary on fundamental bidding principles. What reason can he possibly have for such a bid?

You've been granted all the time and space you need to explore the efficacy of any of the suggested contracts, so why not use it?

Yours, (dead curious )

D.

[Cyberyeti]

gwnn, on 2015-July-07, 01:47, said:

Partner has KTxxxxxx - AQJxx - and thinks we can't bid the grand anyways. I don't agree with him even if that's his hand but I'm not sure if I wanna break up the partnership just yet.

Thought of this myself, but looks like a 5N bid.

More likely he has the spade control but not the diamond, double void seems pretty likely.

[gwnn]

Dinarius, on 2015-July-07, 01:16, said:

Are you playing Benjamin 2s, or any kind of strong 2s?

It's hard to imagine a hand that can justify a 6 Spades rebid that couldn't justify an 8-playing tricks opening in the first place.

D.

They play strong club so they open any hand worthy of a Benjy two would open 1C. The only explanation for suddenly having a slam force after 2NT is a very long trump suit in a two-suited hand (two suiters are not always easy to show after 1C so maybe pard decided against that). Like I said though I still don't like the bidding even with the 8050 I suggested. I definitely don't think that one void suffices for such a bid so I gave him two. I'm prepared to look silly when manudude reveals that pard has a 6232 15 count. (or a 5233 20 count that forgot that we're playing strong club, or.....)

[Dinarius]

gwnn, on 2015-July-07, 02:45, said:

They play strong club so they open any hand worthy of a Benjy two would open 1C. The only explanation for suddenly having a slam force after 2NT is a very long trump suit in a two-suited hand (two suiters are not always easy to show after 1C so maybe pard decided against that). Like I said though I still don't like the bidding even with the 8050 I suggested. I definitely don't think that one void suffices for such a bid so I gave him two. I'm prepared to look silly when manudude reveals that pard has a 6232 15 count.

Ok, missed the bit about Strong Club system (it's early), but still don't understand the need to use up all that bidding space.

D.

[mikeh]

rhm, on 2015-July-07, 02:14, said:

Maybe Bridge players like you, who denigrate their partners without having even seen their partners hand, are no great loss as Bridge partners anyway.

Rainer Herrmann

hyperbole is a recognized form of writing. I agree that my comment was over the top, but, seriously, can you construct any hand on which partner's optimal call is 6S?

Obviously he has a freak, but so what? It has to be better for him to do something else. 3S can never be wrong, assuming that it is forcing, even if it ostensibly shows a balanced max. He may get a cuebid that helps him or he can keep bidding beyond 4S to clue us in.

[helene_t]

In a weak field you obviously don't bid a grand that is not on ice. It would be more interesting in a strong field but then again, this probably wouldn't happen in a strong field.

But seriously, unless p is an unlucky expert who thinks we agreed that 6♠ shows something very specific, Csaba must be right. He has two voids and probably his second suit is diamonds. So we could be off a keycard. I think with AKxxxxx-void-Axxxxx-void he might well have tried for the grand himself.

[gwnn]

Dinarius, on 2015-July-07, 02:48, said:

Ok, missed the bit about Strong Club system (it's early), but still don't understand the need to use up all that bidding space.

D.

It's just this urge some people have to shrug in the middle of an auction, saying "oh well! I won't find out anything useful anyways so I might as well sign off." Actually the better player you are (and the less you play with GIB), the less likely you are to think like that. I still do it daily

[mcphee]

I am along with Mike, not the sort of action I expect from a "partner", and this player is not a partner. This sort of thing is just playing alone, and is rather insulting. I feel like bidding 7NT proof positive I can also play all alone.

[diana_eva]

Interesting to see how people interpret this. I'd say partner is on our side normally, so if they made that bid they did it because they judged it rates to be the best way, and not for insulting anyone. There has to be something he missed or felt he can't possibly get across in an intelligent manner hence the leap. It's bad and makes it tough on the 2NT bidder, but from that to how insulting, let's pass and punish him there's a long way.

[mikeh]

diana_eva, on 2015-July-07, 06:51, said:

Interesting to see how people interpret this. I'd say partner is on our side normally, so if they made that bid they did it because they judged it rates to be the best way, and not for insulting anyone. There has to be something he missed or felt he can't possibly get across in an intelligent manner hence the leap. It's bad and makes it tough on the 2NT bidder, but from that to how insulting, let's pass and punish him there's a long way.

I wasn't passing in order to insult him and even in my hyperbolic post I wasn't planning on saying anything critical until after the game and, who knows, maybe he'll explain/apologize before that happens. I passed because bidding grand here is just as bad, or worse, than his bidding 6. We're guessing and with even, IMO, less justification than he was likely to have had. I pass because I think it to likely be the better guess, but I don't like being in this situation.

[diana_eva]

I'd pass too FWIW bec we're just guessing, was just making an equally hyperbolic post about how strange it seems, to me at least, to see pd as a villain

[ArtK78]

I never bid more over a leap to slam, as I do not bid grands on speculation. If partner is to be trusted (and how can partner possibly know?) then we are off a trick.

Give me a third ace and I would consider bidding one more.

[Dinarius]

I'm still waiting to know why we should forgive partner for the jump to 6 Spades in the first place.

D.