[Wackojack]

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Your bid

[gwnn]

3♦. Yea I have 8. I believe 8 should be enough to bid them.

[gszes]

MP 3d
IMPS 5d

going down 2 undoubled at MP can be a huge disaster when opps can only make a partial. We need quite a reasonable amount from p not only in power but aces to make 5d. I admit it will be tough for partner to raise dia even if they hold the right minimal cards but i prefer to try and take a positive score at MP rather than worrying about finding a perfecto overcall opposite.

IMPS is another story going down 200 opposite a partial is no big deal and since there is little to no way to reasonably search for the right cards from p I prefer to blast to vul game. IMPS also can win if opps can make game (an admittedly small %). This applies to MP as well but partial is a ton more likely to be the opps limit than game.

[WesleyC]

3D is normal.

5D is an interesting tactic.

Everything else is wrong

[nige1]

Wackojack, on 2015-June-25, 09:47, said:

Your bid

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IMO 3♦ = 10. 3N = 9. , 5♦ = 8. 3♥ (UCB) = 7. 2N (if natural not a good raise) = 6. 2♠ = 5.

[aguahombre]

gszes probably has the right idea for IMPS. However, in a decent team event and as a frequent underdog in such event, we choose 3♦.

3♦ might not even be available to our counterparts with this hand, and this kind of low-road match-point oriented variance seems to produce the kind of swings we need to stay in the match. 5♦ commits us to playing there...doubled or undoubled; I would rather give the opponents room to underbid or overbid here and also give partner a chance to put us in the right place if we should be competing further.

[steve2005]

I like 4♦ should have decent chance to make. might not get doubled and opp get only one round of bidding to decide if they want 4♥.

Also partner, still might have right hand to bid 4♠ or 5♦.

IMHO 3♦ just doesn't get across the length and strength of your ♦ suit.

[wank]

noone plays 4d as natural

[Wackojack]

wank, on 2015-June-25, 15:08, said:

noone plays 4d as natural

Clearly Steve does. Would you care to tell us more?

[steve2005]

Wackojack, on 2015-June-25, 15:21, said:

Clearly Steve does. Would you care to tell us more?

Only use splinters in opener's suit after an overcall.

Should I have a hand interested in slam, or want to describe my hand and have ♠ support and another singleton bid my side suit which is forcing for me as an unpassed hand.

It's pretty unlikely to have a splinter in suit other than ♥ so rather use it naturally.

Would play fit jumps before playing side singletons.

<edit> I forgot there was a raise, so a new suit wouldn't be forcing

[PhantomSac]

I play 4D natural in all partnerships that I have agreed "no splinters in off suits" (most) and "no fit jumps except by passed hands or after we open 1major and they overcall 2 major" (most).

[benlessard]

I like to play a style that very few advance are forcing. But i do get some strongish hand from time to time.

I know that for many 2Nt is a 4 card spade raise but i dont care too much for this convention. Im wondering if 3m directly can be quite good (forcing ?) While 2Nt is competitive in one of the minor (lebensoshl-ish). Also is it sensible to play transfers here ?

I do seems to get 10 times more trashy hand with a long minor than hands where i would like to bid 3m forcing.

[mcphee]

3D is F (for most) and it seems like it leaves open the most options. The K of H may well be a working card as partner has some length and threfore rates to hold at least a partial control, maybe even the ace. I am not willing to commit us to 5D when 4S might be the best spot.

[PhilKing]

mcphee, on 2015-June-26, 04:20, said:

3D is F (for most) .

Really?

[gnasher]

I'd bid 5♦. It's unlikely that we'll be allowed to play this in a partscore, and I don't want to either defend 4♥ or be dummy in 4♠. 5♦ may well give opener a difficult problem.

[gnasher]

benlessard, on 2015-June-25, 16:37, said:

I like to play a style that very few advance are forcing. But i do get some strongish hand from time to time.

I know that for many 2Nt is a 4 card spade raise but i dont care too much for this convention. Im wondering if 3m directly can be quite good (forcing ?) While 2Nt is competitive in one of the minor (lebensoshl-ish). Also is it sensible to play transfers here ?

I do seems to get 10 times more trashy hand with a long minor than hands where i would like to bid 3m forcing.

Given the relative frequency of good hands and bad hands, why would you want to make an ambiguous puppet on 9/10 of the hands? Whenever it goes ... 2NT (3♥) or ... 2NT ([4he]) you have just wrecked the auction for your side.

Yes, transfers would work well, and they would also allow you to keep the 4-card raise - 3♦ and ♥ would both be raises.

[helene_t]

If 4♦ is natural then I bid that and would give very few points to 3♦ and 5♦. If not, I bid 3♦ but would give some points to 5♦ as well. If 4♦ is undiscussed then 3♦=10, 5♦=3, 4♦=2, other=0.

[Phil]

4♦ is fitted for me. I don't love 3♦ but I seriously doubt that the bidding is screeching to a halt now.

[benlessard]

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why would you want to make an ambiguous puppet on 9/10 of the hands?

Its 10 to one when we compare trash to GF by advance.

I would not use 3D as forcing, I would play 3m with the upper half of the range and 2NT with the bottom range with the rare GF i would cuebid.

its mostly because we play this way elsewhere (2nt weaker 3X INV) and switching would be too dangerous but also because with 2NT with the stronger hand you will wrongside 3NT more often when partner got Kx(x).
Normally im a Rubensohl fan but when its too unlikely that we dont have GF value I prefer the other ways.

Also possible is to use X as artificial (lebensohl double) rather than negative.

[rmnka447]

I think 3 ♦ is right here for several reasons.

First, advancer must have good values and a reasonably good ♦ suit to take a free bid at the 3 level.

Second, it's just possible overcaller might have enough for an opening bid. But it's more likely that with the opponents showing something like a minimum 16 count (11 opener/5 response) that partner has overcalled with less. If so, 3 ♦ may be a great place to play if the opponents don't push on to 3 ♥.

Third, 3 ♦ keeps 3 NT in play as a possible contract.

Fourth, if they bid on, 3 ♦ is a good lead director for partner.