[blackshoe]

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I was North. I wondered whether to bid 7♣, but I chickened out. So naturally I made 7 - and it would have been a top. Two pairs went down in 6NT (down 1 and down 2), two pairs in 6NT made, respectively, 6 and 7, two pairs in 5♣ made 7. One pair in 6♣ made six. Everyone else was in 6♣ making 7. One table it was played by South, every other table, by North.

Not a whole lot of room to decide. Should I have bid 7? What do you think?

[SteveMoe]

6♣ is an awful way to bid under most circumstances. Too much room for exploration lost. Should have a very specific holding agreed a priori for this sequence. Imagine what could be accomplished after 1♣-1♥-1N-2♦(GF)...

This is a "choice of strains and partners" bid.

[blackshoe]

 SteveMoe, on 2015-June-11, 18:37, said:

6♣ is an awful way to bid under most circumstances. Too much room for exploration lost. Should have a very specific holding agreed a priori for this sequence. Imagine what could be accomplished after 1♣-1♥-1N-2♦(GF)...

This is a "choice of strains and partners" bid.

Sure. Not concerned about that at the moment. All I want to know is whether, given the table auction, I should go on to 7. Also given, I suppose, that we haven't discussed what this auction should mean. At the table, what I thought was "partner thinks I can make 6♣ given his dummy no matter what my opening bid looks like".

[steve2005]

lets

Min

4333 worst possible distribution

lousy clubs

no idea if off cashing ace

what do you think ?!

[diana_eva]

I wouldn't. Maybe if you had more aces, or unrevealed strength. When partner punts he's usually trying to hide some weakness that a more elaborate bidding would help opps to find a dangerous lead. If he gambles, you can't really over-rule him. With a decent hand with stoppers and whatever he had no reason to jump.

[Phil]

Hi partner opens 1 ♠, you raise to 2 ♠ and partner bids 6 ♠. Should you go on?

:8

[SteveMoe]

 blackshoe, on 2015-June-11, 18:50, said:

Sure. Not concerned about that at the moment. All I want to know is whether, given the table auction, I should go on to 7. Also given, I suppose, that we haven't discussed what this auction should mean. At the table, what I thought was "partner thinks I can make 6♣ given his dummy no matter what my opening bid looks like".

I constrain myself to answer partner's question 6♣ or 6♥. Nothing else crosses my mind with this hand, except to talk with partner later about not bidding this way. If we miss 7 Round, it will be an expensive lesson.

[aguahombre]

The King of hearts is trick-13, if my partner ever perpetrated this auction. No way am I choosing hearts as trump; CHO didn't ask me to do that.

However, it seems if my guess is correct everyone in clubs would have made 7; that extraneous piece of information from the OP is something I wouldn't have at the table, so 7C it is.

Oh, wait... a clue..only one person didn't make 7 in clubs, and only one time was the Club contract played by the other side. Therefore, my LHO has a heart void.

[alok c]

Awful bidding,but Without knowing the positions of SA & HK if south bids 6C then it must be raised to 7C may be just to teach him a lesson.

[PhilKing]

 SteveMoe, on 2015-June-11, 23:20, said:

I constrain myself to answer partner's question 6♣ or 6♥. Nothing else crosses my mind with this hand, except to talk with partner later about not bidding this way. If we miss 7 Round, it will be an expensive lesson.

You should convert to 6♥ here exactly never. Partner is not offering you a choice.

[ArtK78]

I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.

[1eyedjack]

 ArtK78, on 2015-June-12, 06:08, said:

I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.

If partner needed what you have to make *6*, he could have asked

[ArtK78]

 1eyedjack, on 2015-June-12, 07:02, said:

If partner needed what you have to make *6*, he could have asked

This is true, but it appears that partner did not notice that there was some room between 1NT and 6♣ available to attempt to make that determination.

I have a partner who likes to make leaps to slam like this one. The rationale is always that he doesn't want the opps to figure out how to defend the contract. Amazingly enough, the opps always seem to know what to do. I have yet to see such a bid result in a pickup, but I have seen them fail spectacularly.

[aguahombre]

 ArtK78, on 2015-June-12, 06:08, said:

I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.

I am pretending that partner did ask -- that he is missing the filler in hearts for our 13 tricks. What partner did not ask is what strain we should be playing in.

[monikrazy]

Pass 100%.

[gszes]

The form of scoring sometimes causes us to do the wrong thing and there is no convenient way to recover. It may have seemed more important to p to look for a heart fit and then there was no reasonable way to ever get clubs into the bidding when no heart fit appeared. This means unless our hand appears ultra special (IE the cards we hold could not possibly be better placed) we should not blindly raise a shot at a small slam into a grand. (ie your hand would not qualify) if you had Axx KJ Axx xxxxx where you might be able to pitch either pointed suit on partners 4 hearts AND there was no way for p to reasonably investigate for this holding (after 1c 1h 1N) go for it. Even with this hand do not be shocked if p was being a bit greedy shooting for 6 but that is something you can discuss later.

[nige1]

 blackshoe, on 2015-June-11, 18:31, said:

I was North. I wondered whether to bid 7♣, but I chickened out. So naturally I made 7 - and it would have been a top. Two pairs went down in 6NT (down 1 and down 2), two pairs in 6NT made, respectively, 6 and 7, two pairs in 5♣ made 7. One pair in 6♣ made six. Everyone else was in 6♣ making 7. One table it was played by South, every other table, by North. Not a whole lot of room to decide. Should I have bid 7? What do you think?

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IMO Pass = 10, 6N = 9. 6♥ = 8. 7♣ = 7.
If you pass and miss 7♣, then it's partner's fault.
If you bid 7♣-1, then it's your fault

[Zelandakh]

 ArtK78, on 2015-June-12, 06:08, said:

I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.

I think you should at least bid 7 with a round ace.

[blackshoe]

 nige1, on 2015-June-12, 16:48, said:

If you pass and miss 7♣, then it's partner's fault.
If you bid 7♣-1 it's your fault

Good point, Nigel.

[Cyberyeti]

Out of curiosity, what was partner's hand ?