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Opening Bid

Poll: Opening Bid (49 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. 1 Heart (37 votes [75.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.51%

  2. 1 No Trump (12 votes [24.49%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.49%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2015-May-03, 13:08

I thought this was relatively clear but my partner disagreed

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assume basic 2/1 what would you open this hand with

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Posted 2015-May-03, 13:26

I can live with 1♥ or 1N, this is more a matter of style than anything else.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 14:04

1♥ at MP for me.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 14:51

View PostMrAce, on 2015-May-03, 14:04, said:

1♥ at MP for me.

At MP losing a heart fit could be a disaster. At imps you want to upgrade to 1N I wouldn't sue.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 15:09

I was present for this one. I would bid 1NT, I think it's clear to upgrade.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 15:25

I will go’for a 15-17 no trump. Kings to protect and 3 spades in case partner has the good idea to transfer. I'd prefr to be IMPs but we cant always live in an ideal world, can we?
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Posted 2015-May-03, 15:56

In my opinion, 1♥ is clear. This is a suit oriented hand - strong suit and controls. Not only that, it doesn't have the right HCP strength for 1NT. So, anything other than 1♥ is masterminding.

Again, just my opinion.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 18:26

I could go either way. I tend to prefer 1NT, but it would depend to some extent on partner — I have had partners who would hate it if I opened 1NT on this.

Using judgement is not, IMO, masterminding.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 18:51

Tbh, I like 1 NT. you can even convince me that 1 NT is better.
But saying this is a clear decision, escapes me by a mile. Of course this depends on how one defines a "clear bid"
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Posted 2015-May-03, 19:11

View PostArtK78, on 2015-May-03, 15:56, said:

In my opinion, 1♥ is clear. This is a suit oriented hand - strong suit and controls. Not only that, it doesn't have the right HCP strength for 1NT. So, anything other than 1♥ is masterminding.

Again, just my opinion.


You're allowed to use judgment, K&R gives this hand as 15.75, I'd have rated it as a little over 15 due to the heart intermediates, your suit is 4 certain tricks and a decent chance of 5 opposite 2 or 3 small cards which makes it worth way more than 8 points.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 20:33

I'm in the 1 ♥ camp.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 20:44

View Posteagles123, on 2015-May-03, 13:08, said:

IMO 1N = 10, 1♥ = 9.

Arguments for 1♥ include: your values are concentrated in ♥ and ♥ is the suit you want led.

Arguments for 1N include: With good intermediates, re-enforcing honours, and 5-card suit, this hand is worth 15 points, so 1N describes and limits your shape and strength. You would rather defenders lead up to your minor suit kings. With 3 cards in ♠s, you don't mind partner transferring to ♠s. Finally, if you open 1♥ you have a difficult rebid after a 1N reply, which you don't have to worry about if you open 1N.
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Posted 2015-May-04, 02:10

View Posteagles123, on 2015-May-03, 13:08, said:

I thought this was relatively clear but my partner disagreed

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assume basic 2/1 what would you open this hand with

thanks

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Definitely 1♥ No other bid is sensible. Why did your partner disagree? Sounds like you need to
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Posted 2015-May-04, 02:49

Banzai valuation puts this firmly as a weak nt. I think that after 1♥ 1N there is a problem due to the forcing nature of 1N, but that is the downside of 2/1. i guess 2♣ might be best. What do 2/1 players think?
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Posted 2015-May-04, 02:54

Hi,

1H.

I will pass a semiforcing 1NT response.

In the end take your pick.

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Posted 2015-May-04, 03:08

View Postnekthen, on 2015-May-04, 02:49, said:

Banzai valuation puts this firmly as a weak nt. I think that after 1♥ 1N there is a problem due to the forcing nature of 1N, but that is the downside of 2/1. i guess 2♣ might be best. What do 2/1 players think?


whats Banzai valuation?
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Posted 2015-May-04, 03:32

View Poststeve2005, on 2015-May-03, 14:51, said:

At MP losing a heart fit could be a disaster. At imps you want to upgrade to 1N I wouldn't sue.


Losing your heart fit can be the winner also, specially when you make your opponents lose spades on the proccess.
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Posted 2015-May-04, 04:42

View Posteagles123, on 2015-May-04, 03:08, said:

whats Banzai valuation?


A = 5 down to 10 = 1
add 1 for a 5 card suit

a weak NT is worth 18 - 21 points
a strong NT is 22 - 25 points

This is only for evaluating NT contracts do not use for suit contracts!

So AKJT9 = 13
Kxx = 4

Thus 21 banzai points.

Basically 1 hcp = 1.5 banzai points. so game requires 37 banzai points etc

Axxx, Axx, Axx, xxx is only 15 points nowhere near an opening bid even adding a J does not make it a weak NT
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Posted 2015-May-04, 04:51

I'd open 1♥ regardless of the long strong value of Hearts in NT. With an extra hcp or two, I'd still prefer opening 1 Heart due to the lack of a stop in Spades.
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Posted 2015-May-04, 05:01

Which is better for opening 1♥ and 1nt ? Each has both advantages and disadvantages.
Maybe opening 1♥ is better at first and second seat,and opening 1nt is considerable at 3rd and 4th seat.
However I have to say opening 1nt is a bit of overbid at any seat because of only 1 ten.
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