[whereagles]

MPs. Adv/expert field.

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4♠ = pree
Dbl = extras, takeoutish.
Pass to 5♦ by opener = nothing special to say, probably a min.

Bid on, or pass?

[Fluffy]

Partner passed over 5♦ just to give us a chance to double with our diamond stack

[whereagles]

Opener had

A9532
AKT6
2
963

Dbl = -300, 5♠ = 650.

Who should have moved?

[MrAce]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-10, 11:57, said:

Who should have moved?

The guy who told you to DBL with his T9xx trump stack, knowing that pd is short in this suit and with 6 card support and a singleton ♣ should move ----> Fluffy

I am kidding of course. Obviously it is not the opener who should move if one will move. I don't think moving with our hand is clear either. In fact I am with Gonzalo. It turned out that pd holds xxx vs our singleton so 5♠ makes. How about if pd held

AJxxx
KTxx
x
KJx

[gnasher]

 MrAce, on 2015-January-10, 13:09, said:

The guy who told you to DBL with his T9xx trump stack, knowing that pd is short in this suit and with 6 card support and a singleton ♣ should move ----> Fluffy

I am kidding of course. Obviously it is not the opener who should move if one will move. I don't think moving with our hand is clear either. In fact I am with Gonzalo. It turned out that pd holds xxx vs our singleton so 5♠ makes. How about if pd held

AJxxx
KTxx
x
KJx

If partner has that hand, isn't there a good chance that 5♦ is making?

[MrAce]

 gnasher, on 2015-January-10, 13:51, said:

If partner has that hand, isn't there a good chance that 5♦ is making?

You are right, I should have constructed more carefully.

Having said that, I am having hard time to make sense out of this auction.

What does overcaller have? And his pd pulled the dbl to 5♦ indicates that overcaller has only 5 diamonds, unless his pd is insane and pulled to 5♦ instead of 5♣, with only 2 diamonds.Overcaller did not start with dbl either when he has only 5 diamonds. With which hand did he dbl now and did not start dbl previous round when he holds only 5♦ ?

[Fluffy]

 Fluffy, on 2015-January-04, 08:56, said:

Partner passed over 5♦ just to give us a chance to double with our diamond stack

Not sure if this was clear, what I meant is that partner didn't bid 5♠ because he wanted to give us a chance of doubling with our good diamonds.

We don't have those good diamonds, so we should bid 5♠.

[whereagles]

Overcall had a perfectly sensible

7
QJ8
AKJ63
AK84

[MrAce]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-10, 16:32, said:

Overcall had a perfectly sensible

7
QJ8
AKJ63
AK84

Indeed !

[nige1]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-04, 06:38, said:

MPs. Adv/expert field.
4♠ = pree
Dbl = extras, takeoutish.
Pass to 5♦ by opener = nothing special to say, probably a min.
Bid on, or pass?

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IMO 5♠ = 10, Pass = 9, Double = 7. You should take out insurance because partner both have 5+ ♠ and a minor shortage -- Partner is likely to be void in ♦.

[gnasher]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-10, 16:32, said:

Overcall had a perfectly sensible

7
QJ8
AKJ63
AK84

A normal takeout double of 1♠, you mean?

[whereagles]

well... poll it

[cherdano]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-11, 12:20, said:

well... poll it

That would be a boring poll.

[MrAce]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-11, 12:20, said:

well... poll it

Nuno, Me, Andy, Arend trying to tell you something without being mean. Instead of auto-smartass reply you should try to get the message about what is "perfectly sensible" and what is not for this hand without a poll. If you think that you are entitled to fill the entire front page of "expert forum" with similar topics, hands, beginner mistakes, you should at least know the answer to this without a poll.

 cherdano, on 2015-January-11, 15:18, said:

That would be a boring poll.

I would not bet my money on that. After all we already have 2 votes for 2♦, one of which is the host of most topics in expert forums, other one is the original guy who started 2♦ with that.

[biggerclub]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-04, 06:38, said:

MPs. Adv/expert field.

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4♠ = pree
Dbl = extras, takeoutish.
Pass to 5♦ by opener = nothing special to say, probably a min.

Bid on, or pass?

I am by no means highly confident, but I reason like this. If Partner holds the A♣, 5♠ is near lock opposite any other opening bid including nothing in ♦s. If Partner does NOT hold the A♣, 5♦ seems to have reasonable chances (no ruff, no ♦ loser, probably (but by no means certainly) no ♠ loser). Unless Partner holds AK of ♥s which again, makes 5♠s seem pretty solid.

I could just blame it on Cohen and say "The Law" . . . but the ♣ stiff is a feature that Partner does not know about and combined with the assumption that Partner has nothing wasted in ♦s . . . I think 5♠ is a good call.

[Fluffy]

I have zero experience not doubling with 5431, so I can't explain why one is superior. Teh same way I I can't explain why opening 2NT 8-11 is bad either.

But I can remember laughing at Lantaron recently when he overcalled 2♦ on 3163 over 1♥ which lost a game swing when the other table found 4♠ easilly after double.

[mikeh]

 MrAce, on 2015-January-12, 01:21, said:

I would not bet my money on that. After all we already have 2 votes for 2♦, one of which is the host of most topics in expert forums, other one is the original guy who started 2♦ with that.[/size]

Hey, Timo, how do you know that they aren't the same guy?

As a believer in the kokish style of overcalls, I doubt there are many here who overcall more and takeout double less than me, and to me this is a clear 'wtp' double, so I do think that the poll, if anyone were silly enough to do one (especially now that some of the better posters have so clearly conveyed their thoughts) would be very boring indeed.

[whereagles]

Timo, I think there might be some misunderstanding going on. I certainly wasn't trying to be "smart". Nor do I think the overcall/double choice is trivial. I really think both are fine bids. For the record, I would find it obvious to double with 1-4-5-3.

As for the guy who bid 2♦ at the table, he's not on BBO.

[gszes]

while I wasnt that happy with 4s (with my ugleeeeeeee dia holding) it seems now
that a really happy situation has developed. Hard to imagine many opening hands
where we would go down more than 1 in 5s (insurance bid?) and the knowledge that
opener is short in dia (a void would not surprise) could easily put 5s into the
making range. Lots of potential reward and not likely much huge risk means bidding
is the way to go.

5s

[mgoetze]

 whereagles, on 2015-January-12, 13:31, said:

Nor do I think the overcall/double choice is trivial. I really think both are fine bids.

That's the point.