[whereagles]

not conservative. chicken

[Cyberyeti]

jallerton, on 2014-August-02, 04:02, said:

Yes. The methods of the opening poster are to play a 3♥ jump overcall as weak. The concept that you make a simple vulnerable 2-level overcall because you are too weak for a weak junp overcall is dangerous. Partner will never know when to play you for a proper overcall.

If a partnership considers it a good idea to overcall 2♥ on hands this weak, then it should play 3♥ overcalls as constructive.

While I think that theory is sound, I'm not sure about this particular hand, if I had KQJ109x and out, I'd happily make a jump overcall, it's much less likely to be doubled and doesn't have the problem that partner with a stiff heart and a trick was beating 4♠. It's more texture than strength, my hand is at least as defensive as it is offensive, that's what really puts me off the jump.

[thejcb]

2h is just wrong, it shows an opening hand (or almost) and guarantees ONLY 5 hearts. Its wrong, PASS PASS is obvious

[rogerclee]

A few years ago my opinion was definitely to pass on hands like this, but Fred wrote something which could be summarized something like this: reasonable players who like to discuss bridge have deemed hands like this one a pass, but people who actually win at bridge just overcall and see what happens. I have somewhat come around to this point of view, and I would overcall, but it's close and I don't think it matters that much.

There is something to be said for playing intermediate jumps vul at the 3 level, and then making the range of 2H a bit lighter. This is my agreement with one partner, but I have no strong feelings about its effectiveness so far.

[wank]

i have a feeling i've been given this hand before. i bid then and i bid now.

[wank]

thejcb, on 2014-August-02, 11:58, said:

it shows an opening hand (or almost) and guarantees ONLY 5 hearts.

what?

[steve2005]

SteveMoe, on 2014-August-01, 19:06, said:

2♥
A lead directing, space eating 2♥.

lead so important at mp, if p ends up on lead I want a ♥ lead

even imps.

guess people should play intermediate jumps vul

[mikestar13]

gszes, on 2014-August-01, 10:16, said:

I would be a bit more likely to bid 2h if playing against a strong club system
but see not much to be gained here and may have a big surprise if rho lands in 3n.

Some sympathy for MP 2h bidders since its only 1 board if disaster strikes.

Pass

IMHO, this is backwards: MP vs IMP has already commented been on. 2♥ (or 3♥) is more dangerous vs a big club system because 1♠ is more limited. The biggest upside is finding a making game of your own, this is not affected much by enemy system. But the second biggest upside is causing the opponents to misjudge, missing a good game or bidding a bad game or bidding when they should be doubling--these misjudgements are significantly more likely when 1♠ is 12-21ish as in 2/1, than when it is 11ish-15 as in Precision.

[jdgalt]

3H, but only if non-vulnerable (you haven't said one way or the other).

[jogs]

Fluffy, on 2014-August-01, 12:53, said:

Too balanced for 3♥ also AKxxxx is low ODR, so easy pass.

6322 pattern is also bad, as is Q10 in a side suit.

whereagles, on 2014-August-02, 06:58, said:

not conservative. chicken

When vulnerable, being chicken can save many points.

[msjennifer]

Two Heart will be my bid.The one spade opening has forced me to bid at the two level.But there is nothing to be ashamed of.

[msjennifer]

wank, on 2014-August-02, 13:39, said:

what?

novice ! Isn't it.I wonder who taught him!

[mcphee]

I am surprised at the number of players who chose to bid 2H. May the gods be with you. Bidding is the best start to losing this hand. Hello folks, this is a first seat opening weak 2 bid, not an opening hand. Your partners require require rather strong hands to even consider raising with 3 trumps. Now if you were behind 100 imps one of the reasons is because you bid with these hands, allow me therefore to suggest 4H, may as well also be the co-pilot on this airline!

[whereagles]

mcphee: if this is a weak 2, why not bidding it accordingly?

By the way, since when does a 2-level overcall promise an opening??

[phil_20686]

FWIW I thought pass was clear, although I have a lot of sympathy for Roger Clee's point. From what I experienced in croatia the top pairs bid *a lot*.
The full hand was

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So bidding did not turn out well.

[Cyberyeti]

Plays better in clubs, if you bid too many AND play in the wrong suit, you're cruising for a bruising.

[wank]

phil_20686, on 2014-August-06, 06:59, said:

So rebidding 3♥ did not turn out well.

FYP

east west can't go plus on this deal if south is happy to content himself with a raise to 2s

[phil_20686]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-August-06, 07:05, said:

Plays better in clubs, if you bid too many AND play in the wrong suit, you're cruising for a bruising.

Everything is -2? in 5c x lose 1c 2s 1d. In 4h lose 2h 2s 1d, still two off?

[dake50]

I would be a bit more likely to bid 2h if playing against a strong club system
but see not much to be gained here and may have a big surprise if rho lands in 3n. -- gszes
.
*** As a strong club limits their 1S, some more chance to find partner holding goods, is that your suggestion?
Much more useful to jam an unlimited 1S and this hand surely doesn't anticipate 4H for us, pure lead-direct/jam.

[Cyberyeti]

phil_20686, on 2014-August-06, 07:09, said:

Everything is -2? in 5c x lose 1c 2s 1d. In 4h lose 2h 2s 1d, still two off?

If you're going all the way to 5, yes.

If you're known to overcall on hands like this, you bid 4♣ and partner passes, you could have bid 3♠ if you had a good 4♣ raise.