[dickiegera]

Partner and I play lear over opponents 1NT overcall. Partner frequently forgets.

Example : I open 1Diamond and righthand opponent bids 1NT. Partner bids 2 Hearts which is alerted as a transfer. I bid 2 spades.
Partner now bids 3 Hearts. What I am to do? Last time after passing and it passed out I said she always forgets.

What am I suppose to do?

We play lear where 2Hearts is a transfer to Spades

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To show both Majors we would bid 2 Clubs as a relay to Diamonds and then bid 2 Hearts showing the majors.

Thank you

[RMB1]

I don't think you have a problem - you know partner forgets - so explain 2♥ as natural or a transfer and explain 3♥ as natural.

Partner has the problem - they intend 2♥ as natural and when you alert they have unauthorised information - they should treat 2♠ as natural and they may have had logical alternatives to 3♥.

In general, if you forget an artificial agreement you should expect a bad score. I would suggest forgetting a convention that partner forget.

[sfi]

dickiegera, on 2014-July-19, 16:42, said:

What am I suppose to do?

Change your system. You should explain what is going on in the situation you describe but seriously, why are you doing this to the partnership?

[steve2005]

Heres a system
Double big hand at least INV strength
bidding a suit natural non-forcing
jumping in a suit GF, distributional hand

[dickiegera]

sfi, on 2014-July-19, 17:46, said:

Change your system. You should explain what is going on in the situation you describe but seriously, why are you doing this to the partnership?

All of partner friends play this and she insist we do.
Everytime we play she goes over the system and says she will not forget.

[blackshoe]

dickiegera, on 2014-July-19, 18:22, said:

All of partner friends play this and she insist we do.
Everytime we play she goes over the system and says she will not forget.

And yet she continues to forget. You have three choices: disclose what you know as the laws require and accept your bad score when the opponents call the TD, talk her into changing your system, or quit playing with her.

Not sure, because I haven't double checked, but I suspect "transfer to spades or natural" is not legal under the GCC. If so eventually the director will penalize you for playing an illegal system.

[Antrax]

Treat her 2♥ calls as natural. If she meant it as a transfer, say you forgot the system.

[weejonnie]

Alert the 2♥ as transfer but tell the opponents that partner frequently forgets. That way they know as much as you do.

if you don't do that then you have to play the sequence shown (unless you agree with partner that the sequence means that they have forgotton the transfer - nothing wrong with that - but you would have to advise the opponents of the agreement when the 2♥ bid is made) as showing game-going values in spades. - which means you have to respond to it as such. Mind you, partner should be passing 2♠ - or giving preference to 3♦ anyway since they have (as they think) shown hearts and yet you want to play in spades. Why can't you hold

♠KQJTX
♥
♦AJ7654
♣Q3

Once you get a few bottoms in 4♠ doubled when adjusted by the TD your partner might get the hint.

[TylerE]

RMB1, on 2014-July-19, 16:55, said:

I don't think you have a problem - you know partner forgets - so explain 2♥ as natural or a transfer

That is a problem because that's not an ACBL GCC legal convention. Conventional bids over 1N other than X and 2C must guarantee at least one known suit.

[biggerclub]

This is obviously not a serious partnership. In these cases, I don't impose a system on partner, but rather interview her about what she thinks various bids mean. Then I believe her and play her way.

[RMB1]

TylerE, on 2014-July-23, 10:37, said:

That is a problem because that's not an ACBL GCC legal convention. Conventional bids over 1N other than X and 2C must guarantee at least one known suit.

Even over a 1NT overcall (as in OP)?

In which case, yes "you" (opener) do have a problem.

I do not recommend calling the TD and saying "we have an illegal agreement/understanding of 2♥" - so you have to explain and keep bidding as if partner has not forgotten. Then explain to the opponents at the end of the hand that partner forgets but that is not your partnership agreement/understanding.

[TylerE]

Applies to overcalls too.

[gnasher]

RMB1, on 2014-July-23, 10:51, said:

Even over a 1NT overcall (as in OP)?

In which case, yes "you" (opener) do have a problem.

I do not recommend calling the TD and saying "we have an illegal agreement/understanding of 2♥" - so you have to explain and keep bidding as if partner has not forgotten. Then explain to the opponents at the end of the hand that partner forgets but that is not your partnership agreement/understanding.

That appears to be compounding one breach of the rules - using an illegal agreement - with another one - failing to disclose an agreement at the proper time and in the proper manner.

I thought your first answer was fine, and I don't see why the illegality of the agreement changes your responsibility to disclose it.

[Vampyr]

gnasher, on 2014-July-23, 16:13, said:

I thought your first answer was fine, and I don't see why the illegality of the agreement changes your responsibility to disclose it.

Quite. You disclose it, the opponents call the director, and you take your average minus. End of.

Though it might be more fair to disclose the agreement before the round starts, giving the opponents a chance to agree on a defense, so that if they get better than average plus they can keep their score

[Siegmund]

Quote

Applies to overcalls too.

And you are lucky it does, or even the simple transfer meaning would be illegal, as it is after a natural suit overcall.

[Bbradley62]

In your system, what is shown by:
1D-(1NT)-2H*-(p)
2S-(p)-3H?

Hopefully, it's 5 spades, 4 hearts and some specified strength range. You bid as though you believe that partner has bid her hand accurately within the parameters of your system.

[Bbradley62]

dickiegera, on 2014-July-19, 16:42, said:

Partner and I play lear over opponents 1NT overcall.

I can 't find any documentation of this anyway online. Do you have a reference?

[johnu]

I would preference to spades, and keep returning to spades on this hand and future hands until I'm sure partner has been conditioned to not forget. Actually, unless the future hands happen in the current event, there probably won't be any future hands.

[gnasher]

Bbradley62, on 2014-July-31, 19:06, said:

In your system, what is shown by:
1D-(1NT)-2H*-(p)
2S-(p)-3H?

Hopefully, it's 5 spades, 4 hearts and some specified strength range. You bid as though you believe that partner has bid her hand accurately within the parameters of your system.

You don't have to do that. As long as you have disclosed your actual two-way agreement and don't misuse any UI, it's fine to pass 3♥.

[Vampyr]

gnasher, on 2014-August-02, 01:02, said:

You don't have to do that. As long as you have disclosed your actual two-way agreement and don't misuse any UI, it's fine to pass 3♥.

Is that the end of the story? What If the 2-way agreement is not legal in the jurisdiction?