[jillybean]

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[Lord Molyb]

pass

[Bbradley62]

I think the field bids 4♠, so I bid that at this point in the event. But then again, I would have bid 3♠ over 3♥, assuming 3♣ shows support.

[monikrazy]

What does 3C show (as opposed to 3H)?

[Cascade]

Bbradley62, on 2013-December-27, 22:13, said:

I think the field bids 4♠, so I bid that at this point in the event. But then again, I would have bid 3♠ over 3♥, assuming 3♣ shows support.

What would you be showing with 3♠?

In this sort of situation I have the agreement that pass shows some interest - a non-minimum that doesn't want to or can't bid 4♠ and 3♠ is a complete minimum. Partner forced us to at least 3♠ and I get there as quickly as possible with no interest.

[Vampyr]

Was this a barometer event?

In England*, our Bridgemates, whether in tournaments or in clubs, are never set to give the pairs' running percentages. If they were, I think that there would be some really strange late-round actions, which would work to the detriment of the event.

*I am waiting for someone in the Midlands or the North to tell me that this is done there all the time, and would I please try to remember that London is not synonymous with England.

[Lorne50]

Vampyr, on 2013-December-28, 04:14, said:

Was this a barometer event?

In England*, our Bridgemates, whether in tournaments or in clubs, are never set to give the pairs' running percentages. If they were, I think that there would be some really strange late-round actions, which would work to the detriment of the event.

*I am waiting for someone in the Midlands or the North to tell me that this is done there all the time, and would I please try to remember that London is not synonymous with England.

Two out of the 3 clubs where I play in Surrey have the running scores available but few players seem to do anything odd at the end. In fact the only players who are likely to do something odd are those about 1% behind the lead with 1/2 boards to go and even then you need a hand where there is a sensible option to do that and a partner who will understand if you get a bottom and the leaders mess up the last hand as well so you could have won with a normal score.

One thing the lawyers might answer is that the laws clearly state that you are not allowed outside aids to your bidding and play. It is for example illegal to look at the back of a bidding card to see the scores for doubles overtricks etc. before making a play decision. Is it illegal to look at a running score if it is on display?

[nige1]

jillybean, on 2013-December-27, 21:00, said:

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IMO Pass = 10, 4♠ = 7. ♣K is of doubtful value but great shape and controls. Nevertheless, MP pairs is the pursuit of the plus-score

[wyman]

Pass now.

Incidentally -- and this may be a style thing -- I would have bid 2N at my first call; if 4H were next, I would not want to bid diamonds, nor would I want partner to lead a spade.

[jillybean]

Cascade, on 2013-December-28, 01:02, said:

In this sort of situation I have the agreement that pass shows some interest - a non-minimum that doesn't want to or can't bid 4♠ and 3♠ is a complete minimum. Partner forced us to at least 3♠ and I get there as quickly as possible with no interest.

I like this


Partner held AJ9,74,QT,AJ9765 we played 3♠+1

[jillybean]

Vampyr, on 2013-December-28, 04:14, said:

Was this a barometer event?

In England*, our Bridgemates, whether in tournaments or in clubs, are never set to give the pairs' running percentages. If they were, I think that there would be some really strange late-round actions, which would work to the detriment of the event.

*I am waiting for someone in the Midlands or the North to tell me that this is done there all the time, and would I please try to remember that London is not synonymous with England.

Please start your own thread about barometer scoring, perhaps in the offline bridge forum.

[paulg]

Cascade, on 2013-December-28, 01:02, said:

In this sort of situation I have the agreement that pass shows some interest - a non-minimum that doesn't want to or can't bid 4♠ and 3♠ is a complete minimum. Partner forced us to at least 3♠ and I get there as quickly as possible with no interest.

I play this too, so pass becomes the game try and double can be used to strongly suggest a penalty. But it is dependent on partner's cue bid creating a force to 3♠; some prefer to use a game-try double and allow the opponents to play in 3♥ undoubled when we have a very weak overcall.

[Vampyr]

jillybean, on 2013-December-28, 12:24, said:

Please start your own thread about barometer scoring, perhaps in the offline bridge forum.

LOL no I am not terribly interested in barometer scoring; I was just wondering how you knew your score before the session was over.

[lycier]

As for yarborough trump suit, I would like to pass due to lack of trump quality.

[jillybean]

Cascade, on 2013-December-28, 01:02, said:

In this sort of situation I have the agreement that pass shows some interest - a non-minimum that doesn't want to or can't bid 4♠ and 3♠ is a complete minimum. Partner forced us to at least 3♠ and I get there as quickly as possible with no interest.

Hi Wayne. Please elaborate, when do you use this treatment?
Some of my overcalls would need to be a little more sound for this treatment. In a 4th seat OBAR auction I will have my call but in other sequences my overcalls can be very light and perhaps not suitable to force to the 3 level.

[PhilKing]

jillybean, on 2013-December-29, 11:55, said:

Hi Wayne. Please elaborate, when do you use this treatment?
Some of my overcalls would need to be a little more sound for this treatment. In a 4th seat OBAR auction I will have my call but in other sequences my overcalls can be very light and perhaps not suitable to force to the 3 level.

Partner already forced to the three level by bidding 3♣, and was presumably aware of how much 1♠ promised when they did so.

[Bbradley62]

Cascade, on 2013-December-28, 01:02, said:

What would you be showing with 3♠?

In this sort of situation I have the agreement that pass shows some interest - a non-minimum that doesn't want to or can't bid 4♠ and 3♠ is a complete minimum. Partner forced us to at least 3♠ and I get there as quickly as possible with no interest.

Yes, your method is better. However, it appeared to me that if OP had been playing your method, there shouldn't be any question as to what to do over partner's 3♠ sign-off: respect the sign-off. Therefore, I presumed that in OP's methods passing 3♥ was weaker than bidding 3♠ directly, and I was saying that I would have made the less-than-minimum bid, whatever that is in the system being played.

[GreenMan]

jillybean, on 2013-December-29, 11:55, said:

Hi Wayne. Please elaborate, when do you use this treatment?
Some of my overcalls would need to be a little more sound for this treatment. In a 4th seat OBAR auction I will have my call but in other sequences my overcalls can be very light and perhaps not suitable to force to the 3 level.

I believe this is when partner makes some call showing support for your suit, such as a cuebid of the opps' suit, and RHO intervenes. It's sort of a fast-arrival principle: We're going to 3♠, and the quicker I bid it, the less I have. So Pass would show some extras for your previous actions.

You probably already play that after, e.g.

(1♣) 1♠ (Pass) 2♣

(Pass) ?

then 2♠ is minimum and bidding another suit or NT is exploring for a possible game. Wayne's treatment extends this to auctions where RHO doesn't pass the second time.

[jillybean]

(1x) 1y (P) 2y is very different from the auction I posted in the OP where the 2nd seat bidder is unlimited and partner has popped up after 2 bidding opponents.

[billw55]

Interesting. I must admit that I probably would not make this 1♠ overcall in a situation where partner could easily be on lead. But this got no comments, is it so totally normal to do this kind of thing at matchpoints?

I might venture a two-suited call though, if available.