is "Weak 2" Alert Enough
#1
Posted 2013-March-21, 17:21
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I opened 2 hearts and simply alerted as "weak"
after the hand one of the opps said I should have said that it could be a 5 card suit as the standard weak 2 was 6 cards. This was only done via PM there was no official complaint or anything like that and it was very polite but just wondering if simply alerting as weak is acceptable or do I need to give more information?
Thanks
Eagles
#4
Posted 2013-March-21, 19:44
it's similar to complaining that you overcalled 1c with 1s on a 6 count and he plays that all overcalls have to be 8+.
#5
Posted 2013-March-21, 20:01
wank, on 2013-March-21, 19:44, said:
it's similar to complaining that you overcalled 1c with 1s on a 6 count and he plays that all overcalls have to be 8+.
It's not about how one particular opponent plays a call, it's about general expectations. And in a BBO tournament I expect there are enough players who expect that a weak 2 will have six cards, that an alert of frequent 5-card weak 2s is preferred.
#6
Posted 2013-March-21, 21:24
There are times when I think people just want their opponents to show 'em their hands. Of course, they don't have to show their opponents their hands.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#7
Posted 2013-March-22, 01:22
blackshoe, on 2013-March-21, 21:24, said:
There are times when I think people just want their opponents to show 'em their hands. Of course, they don't have to show their opponents their hands.
That is the point, exactly. If we have an agreement (implicit or explicit) to vary from the norm, then we disclose. Otherwise, what we actually made the bid with is not alertable. When we are self alerting, we alert what partner should have alerted IRL without screens.
It is often tempting to explain that we might have deviated when we in-fact have deviated. But, that is not legally or ethically correct.
#8
Posted 2013-March-22, 02:16
#9
Posted 2013-March-22, 02:21
barmar, on 2013-March-22, 02:16, said:
It was an ACOL tourny.
#10
Posted 2013-March-22, 02:30
(And I'd also like to congratulate him on doing so well last night.)
#11
Posted 2013-March-22, 02:42
StevenG, on 2013-March-22, 02:30, said:
Over-alerting is often recommended on BBO. It's safe because partner doesn't see your alerts, so there's no UI as there typically is in f2f bridge.
#12
Posted 2013-March-22, 07:57
barmar, on 2013-March-22, 02:42, said:
my only issue is that if I put every single thing a 2 opening could be i'd be writing an essay
e.g. "weak 2 but sometimes 5 card suit sometimes 7 cards mostly 5-9 but sometimes less if vulnerability and position good etc etc etc"
#14
Posted 2013-March-22, 08:06
#15
Posted 2013-March-22, 09:18
barmar, on 2013-March-22, 02:16, said:
eagles123, on 2013-March-22, 02:21, said:
"Acol" is a proper name, not an acronym. Also, it is the name of a bidding system, not an organization.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#16
Posted 2013-March-22, 09:53
#17
Posted 2013-March-22, 10:06
eagles123, on 2013-March-21, 17:21, said:
I wonder what he would say if you held a six card suit and told him it could be five.
-gwnn
#18
Posted 2013-March-22, 10:20
eagles123, on 2013-March-22, 09:53, said:
Well it's not that simple, if you open with 5 card very rarely and/or in special conditions (for example, "occasionally 3rd seat favorable, almost never otherwise"), explaining it as 5+ (unless precisely in that position) would be more misleading than not.
Bear in mind this is very diffeent issue than say, do you have 6 or 7, when saying 6+, becuase 6 card suits are way more common that 7 carders, and 5 card suits are way more common than 6 card suits, so when you tell me you can have more than 6 cards suit I can almost ignore it, but if you say 5+ I have to adjust my bidding/play to cater for 5 card suit possibity.
#19
Posted 2013-March-22, 10:22
I have a macro to self-explain "might only be 4;neg dbl would deny spades." I often get lazy and don't use the macro when I have 5+ spades.
#20
Posted 2013-March-23, 00:57
blackshoe, on 2013-March-22, 09:18, said:
You're right about the capitalization. But not about the organization:
Furthermore, isn't the Acol bidding system named after a real bridge club in London, where the system originated?