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Pass or 2N

Poll: Pass or 2N (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Pass or 2N?

  1. Pass (24 votes [96.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 96.00%

  2. 2N (1 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

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Posted 2013-February-20, 01:59

You're playing that 1D shows 10-15 and is 11-13 if balanced. You hold QJx Q9x QJx Q9xx.

1D (2C) ?

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Posted 2013-February-20, 02:13

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Posted 2013-February-20, 06:28

Neither, and neither makes it as my first alternative.

1: Dbl
2: 2
3: Pass
4: 2NT

Our 1 opening is ill defined regarding distribution. That is a drawback in competition. However, it is well defined regarding strength. That is an advantage in competition. It means I can make a negative double and pass partner's rebids without fear of missing game. If partner comes to life and starts to jump I can still bid 3NT.

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Posted 2013-February-20, 06:30

Easy pass. I would rather like to defend 2C when partner has a weak NT.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 08:13

What a stinky hand. Am I supposed to be persuaded by those nines? Pass.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 08:45

View PostTrinidad, on 2013-February-20, 06:28, said:

Neither, and neither makes it as my first alternative.

1: Dbl
2: 2
3: Pass
4: 2NT

Our 1 opening is ill defined regarding distribution. That is a drawback in competition. However, it is well defined regarding strength. That is an advantage in competition. It means I can make a negative double and pass partner's rebids without fear of missing game. If partner comes to life and starts to jump I can still bid 3NT.

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Our 1D could be short and our 2D is a transfer to hearts. Yuck for double. Partner can jump to 3M opposite that and I doubt will like 2M very much.

Btw the knr for the hand is 6.2 hcps
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Posted 2013-February-20, 09:13

View Poststraube, on 2013-February-20, 08:45, said:

Btw the knr for the hand is 6.2 hcps

My estimate was 8. I did not understand why a natural 2NT response was even under consideration - I thought it was going to be a both minors kind of thing until I realised they had overcalled clubs.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 09:33

View Poststraube, on 2013-February-20, 08:45, said:

Our 1D could be short

So? Unless it has to be short, there is no reason not to raise partner. Usually (in the case where 1 is natural or balanced, an opponent overcalls 2 and we have 4 clubs) partner will have 4+ diamonds.

View Poststraube, on 2013-February-20, 08:45, said:

our 2D is a transfer to hearts.

Unless you don't have a raise available.

(It is a mistery to me why one would want to play a system where it is impossible to make the most important bid in competition: raise partner.)

View Poststraube, on 2013-February-20, 08:45, said:

Yuck for double. Partner can jump to 3M opposite that and I doubt will like 2M very much.

If you are suggesting by the question in your OP that this is a borderline 2NT, then you should be thrilled to be able to play 2 of a suit if partner is minimum and 3NT if partner is maximum. If you agree that opposite a minimum it is better to play 2// than to play 2NT then you could think that Dbl is yuck, but it is a lot less yuck than 2NT.

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Posted 2013-March-01, 19:51

IF just choice between the PASS or 2NT,I would PASS.
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Posted 2013-March-01, 21:43

For me,I think there is only 7 starting points in this hand with too many "soft " values ,pass is a good choice.
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Posted 2013-March-05, 03:59

A beginner will think: "2NT promisses 11-13HCP, we have 10HCP and no doubletons/singletons/voids to upgrade, so we don't have enough HCP to bid 2NT".

An intermediate player will think: "2NT promisses 11-13HCP, the hand isn't even worth 10HCP, so we don't have enough to bid 2NT".

An advanced player will think: "easy pass, wtp".
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