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JT AQJ65 8743 74

Poll: JT AQJ65 8743 74 (37 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your bid?

  1. Pass (12 votes [32.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.43%

  2. 1H (11 votes [29.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

  3. 2H (14 votes [37.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.84%

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#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2013-February-18, 09:58

All vul imps. You play strong club. P P ?
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Posted 2013-February-18, 10:04

Sorry I misvoted, should be 1H instead of pass (I missed that we're in 3rd).
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Posted 2013-February-18, 10:26

gotta get that lead-director in, and make them start bidding defensively instead of constructively. 1♥. Distant 2nd choice 2♥.

If its good enough to overcall with, then its good enough to open 3rd seat.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 11:18

If you choose 1H, are passing partner's 1S response? Of course, sometimes opponents will take you off the hook, but partner's 1S response is 4+ cards.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 11:31

I would bid 2D over 1S... If partner rebids 2NT, I pass. This is the absolute worst case scenario. Usually when we are inordinately weak, opps do not pass so meekly. Or if they do, maybe they are similarly cooperative in defence as well.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 12:31

View Poststraube, on 2013-February-18, 11:18, said:

If you choose 1H, are passing partner's 1S response?

Yes. This is the opponent's deal, and at least I have the JT.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 17:20

View PostCSGibson, on 2013-February-18, 12:31, said:

Yes. This is the opponent's deal, and at least I have the JT.


I'd pass 1S, too. The sooner partner knows I'm minimum the better.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 18:15

2H or Pass. 1H is a distant third choice.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 22:45

A short (10 board) simulation yield a win for 1 ♥ 1.3 imps/bd over pass and 2.2 imps/bd over 2♥.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 06:27

2♥ for me
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Posted 2013-February-28, 07:05

View PostBillPatch, on 2013-February-19, 22:45, said:

A short (10 board) simulation yield a win for 1 ♥ 1.3 imps/bd over pass and 2.2 imps/bd over 2♥.

smh...
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Posted 2013-February-28, 10:46

I'm probably missing something but is this not as standard a Weak 2 as you could possibly get?
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Posted 2013-February-28, 10:51

View Posteagles123, on 2013-February-28, 10:46, said:

I'm probably missing something but is this not as standard a Weak 2 as you could possibly get?

What you're missing is the 6th ♥. However, this is a standard weak 2 in 3rd seat for many of us here.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 12:14

NV I'm opening this hand 2♥ in 1st seat, so it seems perfectly fine in 3rd at equal.

I'm sorry I don't have any simulations or journal articles to back this up.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 12:23

View PostBillPatch, on 2013-February-19, 22:45, said:

A short (10 board) simulation yield a win for 1 ♥ 1.3 imps/bd over pass and 2.2 imps/bd over 2♥.

I think you got the auction wrong on hand 3, and the play wrong on hand 6.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 14:32

Opening 2♥ is asking for trouble. I'll open 1♥ and rebid 1NT if partner responds 1♠. He'll expect 11 to a bad 14, so he won't invite, even when holding a max.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 17:32

I really don't like 2H. Not only is it just extremely dangerous esp when vul with this hand, but it will more likely than not get them to play the hand well if they play our partner for the other honors.

1H is less dangerous (esp if playing strong club implies lightish openings...specifically if partner is unlikely or won't have a balanced 11 that will bid 2N in some auctions) imo, but will also screw them up in the play much more since they will be more likely to play you for honors and misguess the hand.

1H also has the same lead directing benefits of 2H, the only thing it misses is the direct preemption being more likely to make them land in a bad spot (esp if it's a partscore hand). I don't think this benefit has enough upside to compensate for the downsides, but others might disagree obviously.

I would either pass or bid 1H, depending on a variety of factors, but I would usually bid 1H.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 23:38

PASS!
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Posted 2013-March-01, 01:30

Is not pass allowed on this one, I assume pard is expert.

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to win do we need to very often open 1h or 2h and lose with pass?

If pass here is losing bridge, should not that be taught as standard?

I mean look at all the posts that dont pass. the major vote is nonpass.
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Posted 2013-March-01, 02:08

View Postneilkaz, on 2013-February-28, 10:51, said:

What you're missing is the 6th ♥. However, this is a standard weak 2 in 3rd seat for many of us here.



:lol: knew I was missing something ;)

Still would open this with 2♥even with 5 but can see why others wouldn't :)
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