[luke warm]

i have to bid 2h i think... and i don't like sprt x either

[flytoox]

Fluffy, on Dec 18 2004, 10:53 PM, said:

I agree support double shouldn´t probably be on when they bid your suit in a natural meaning, what about this other 2 biddings:

a.
1♣-pass-1♠-1NT
X??

1NT= red suits

b.
1♣-1♦-1♠-2♣
X??

2♣ = cuebid: limit or more with ♦ support.

Berben's better bidding has these two examples, they are defined as spt dbl.

[flytoox]

inquiry, on Dec 17 2004, 08:33 PM, said:

flytoox, on Dec 17 2004, 12:04 PM, said:

Ben, I think  this is a spt dbl situation. IF u play spt dbl, then any dbl or opp's suit under 2 of the suit bid by pd is spt dbl.

The sequence given in the question is the only one which you may  play dbl for takeout.

I agree with justin, how can double of 2♣ after you open 1♣ and you are sitting behind the 2♣ bidder be suggesting three card major support.

I would guess it could have two meanings. Meaning number one.. I am 4-1-4-4 and would like you to choose between 2♣ doubled and ♦ and ♠ contract (except I open that 1♦, so imagine this was 1D-P-1H-2D)... or they have made a huge mistake bidding my suit, let's get-em.

I think I prefer the have made a huge mistake option, and I prefer partner's reopening double (after I opened teh suit) to be optional, not penalty.

Perhaps we should ask another question:

How can a sane player sitting at the right seat bid a natural 2C without a long and solid suit after you opened club? DO you really think he will bid 2C with kj9xxx or kqt8xx?

Another reason to play the dbl as 3-card spt is pd wont forget. Any rule without exception is easier to remember than any rule with exception.

[Fluffy]

That is not totally true flytoox, what about 4 level doubles?, and 5 level doubles?, and doubling 2NT?, you will find somethign with an exception, I tried to play good/bad 2NT (lebenshol) everytime opponents were on 2♥/♠, it was so horrible finding goos exeptions more than half the cases.

[flytoox]

Fluffy, on Dec 19 2004, 11:52 PM, said:

That is not totally true flytoox, what about 4 level doubles?, and 5 level doubles?, and doubling 2NT?, you will find somethign with an exception, I tried to play good/bad 2NT (lebenshol) everytime opponents were on 2♥/♠, it was so horrible finding goos exeptions more than half the cases.

isnt this support my claim? Good/bad 2N is more difficult to play than spt dbl, exactly because there r so many exceptions or rules.