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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2012-December-19, 11:04

Doing the bidding practice from L.Cohen site with my partner
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If East bids 3 iso DBL then we have agreement that it is GF.
West can open 2 and rebid 3 to show GF in .
Or West can open 2NT 20-21, but thought his hand was too good for it and not balanced enough. 2 followed by 2NT would have been 22-23.
East thought that he didn't have enough for 3 GF, and that he had bid enough with the DBL.

So, how should we bid to 7...or 6?
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Posted 2012-December-19, 11:10

I think west should just force to slam, but I would never get to 7 after the 3 bid. East did well to double instead of pass although after 1 3 P P X P 4 west could bid again anyway I think.
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Posted 2012-December-19, 11:30

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-December-19, 11:10, said:

I think west should just force to slam, but I would never get to 7 after the 3 bid. East did well to double instead of pass although after 1 3 P P X P 4 west could bid again anyway I think.

Not sure the double was helpful it's difficult to work out that there's a 5th spade there. I think it's easier over 1-(3)-P-(P)-X-P-4 (4N-5-5-5N-6-7-7N).
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Posted 2012-December-19, 11:47

If he has just four spades he will be stronger than he was.
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Posted 2012-December-19, 12:41

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-December-19, 11:47, said:

If he has just four spades he will be stronger than he was.

Agreed, he might have the nice helpful red queens, the point being AQxxx/Qxx is actually more use to you than AQxx/Qxxx/QJ/Qxx and you will struggle to tell them apart.
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Posted 2012-December-20, 02:06

I think I had opened a 22/23 NT. I have no idea what this West had done over a pass from LHO and a simple 1 from partner....

The bidding at the table makes it not easier too. Anyway, over the double, West should force to a slam. All of partners points are working, so slam must be good. But I see no convincing way to go to 7. You need to find out about all honours in the East hand and the 5. spade- impossible for me.

Of course a direct 3 bid instead of the double had helped- but Easts hand is far away from a GF 3 Spade bid.
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Posted 2012-December-20, 07:59

on the website they proposed to open 2C:
2C-(3D)- 3S
4NT-...
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Posted 2012-December-21, 11:30

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-December-19, 11:10, said:

I think west should just force to slam, but I would never get to 7 after the 3 bid. East did well to double instead of pass although after 1 3 P P X P 4 west could bid again anyway I think.

How should West force to 6? Via 4NT (RKC) or 5NT (pick slam) or...?
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Posted 2012-December-21, 11:37

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-December-19, 12:41, said:

Agreed, he might have the nice helpful red queens, the point being AQxxx/Qxx is actually more use to you than AQxx/Qxxx/QJ/Qxx and you will struggle to tell them apart.


This is why you miss 7 as lalldonn said.
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Posted 2012-December-21, 15:21

View Posthan, on 2012-December-21, 11:37, said:

This is why you miss 7 as lalldonn said.

Which is why I said pass then 4 was more helpful than the initial double, as now you can bid 7.
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Posted 2013-February-02, 05:15

What should West bid iso 5?
5NT pick a slam?
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