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Posted 2012-February-27, 04:54
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Posted 2012-February-27, 06:34
Partner must be announcing a big 2-suiter -- ♠ & ♣ -- because he had other bids available such as a "forcing pass" to find out more info from you at a lower level .
Now, however, I'll bid 4S .
Now, however, I'll bid 4S .
Don Stenmark
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Posted 2012-February-27, 06:43
4♠ is forcing here and is the best bid. We may be able to get back to spades when we're higher but not now, methinks.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2012-February-27, 07:21
Partner has 4+ clubs and short hearts. As we could be even 3433 4S has to be to play. That does not mean that it is the wrong bid.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 07:42
How often will it be important to get back to spades? If partner is 5134, we can only throw his fourth club on a diamond, and if he's 6124 there's an entry problem after a heart lead. Opposite AJxxxx x AQ AKxx, 7♠ is good but 7♣ isn't, but that's quite specific.
Anyway. the right action depends somewhat on the meaning of 4♥. Obviously it shows club support and heart control, but it's a matter of agreement whether it shows extra values, promises heart shortage, or denies a diamond control.
I think the best meaning is that it shows shortage, says nothing about diamonds, and can be a suitable minimum. That is, it's a consulatative action, so a cue-bid in reply shows some interest. In that style, I'd bid 4♠.
If partner promised extras, I'd bid Keycard.
Edit: Han is right, of course: 4♠ has to be natural to cater for 3334. That's a nuisance.
Anyway. the right action depends somewhat on the meaning of 4♥. Obviously it shows club support and heart control, but it's a matter of agreement whether it shows extra values, promises heart shortage, or denies a diamond control.
I think the best meaning is that it shows shortage, says nothing about diamonds, and can be a suitable minimum. That is, it's a consulatative action, so a cue-bid in reply shows some interest. In that style, I'd bid 4♠.
If partner promised extras, I'd bid Keycard.
Edit: Han is right, of course: 4♠ has to be natural to cater for 3334. That's a nuisance.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-27, 08:08
oh yes forgot about 3433. 
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2012-February-27, 08:47
I guess it makes no sense to play 4 ♠ as nonforcing to cater for 3433 hands. Partner should usually be able to survive at the fifth level. He already pushed us there anyhow, didn't he?
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Roland
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More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
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Posted 2012-February-27, 13:37
14 working points?? Our hand is a monster in context. 5H now.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 15:54
our "speculative" 2c bid has turned on us big time. Why
we didnt start with a forcing 1n with our balanced min
game forcing hand ill never know. There is no way to
gather any useful information from this point we just
have to bid 5h (showing our ace) and not much extra and
hope and pray p didnt start with Axxxxx x AQ Axxx where
spades has a whole ton of extra chance and 6c not so
much. If p bids 5s (extra length) we should just bid
6s and hope it works.
we didnt start with a forcing 1n with our balanced min
game forcing hand ill never know. There is no way to
gather any useful information from this point we just
have to bid 5h (showing our ace) and not much extra and
hope and pray p didnt start with Axxxxx x AQ Axxx where
spades has a whole ton of extra chance and 6c not so
much. If p bids 5s (extra length) we should just bid
6s and hope it works.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 15:56
gszes, on 2012-February-27, 15:54, said:
our "speculative" 2c bid has turned on us big time. Why
we didnt start with a forcing 1n with our balanced min
game forcing hand ill never know. There is no way to
gather any useful information from this point we just
have to bid 5h (showing our ace) and not much extra and
hope and pray p didnt start with Axxxxx x AQ Axxx where
spades has a whole ton of extra chance and 6c not so
much. If p bids 5s (extra length) we should just bid
6s and hope it works.
we didnt start with a forcing 1n with our balanced min
game forcing hand ill never know. There is no way to
gather any useful information from this point we just
have to bid 5h (showing our ace) and not much extra and
hope and pray p didnt start with Axxxxx x AQ Axxx where
spades has a whole ton of extra chance and 6c not so
much. If p bids 5s (extra length) we should just bid
6s and hope it works.
Maybe it was a semi-forcing 1NT or a non-forcing 1NT.
Or, the partnership could have an agreement that 1NT forcing is not bid on game forcing hands.
There could be any number of rational explanations for the 2♣ call.
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