[jschafer]

What does the 3 bid show?

Pass-(1♣)-2♦-(X)
3♠?

Your side favourable, IMPs. Disagreement with my p here, so would like to know what you think this bid shows =)

[dicklont]

The 3S bidder has passed, so he can't have a weak hand with long spades.
So I would take this as lead directing with a diamond fit.

[mike777]

Will pard open 3s with an outside ace? I play no so my guess is pard has long spades and an outside ace


Kxxxxxx..x...xx...Axx or other type hands with a poor spade suit or an outside a or k.

[Phil]

Its a lead director with at least enough diamond support for a raise to 4. Disagree with anyone that suggests this is fitted.

[MickyB]

Phil, on 2011-July-19, 18:21, said:

this is fitted.

[cloa513]

dicklont, on 2011-July-19, 17:06, said:

The 3S bidder has passed, so he can't have a weak hand with long spades.
So I would take this as lead directing with a diamond fit.

He can have a weak hand with lots of spades if he never preempts with 4 or more of the other major but why bid at the 3 level over a hand that most likely has four of at least one major.

[mtvesuvius]

Fit showing for sure.

[Cyberyeti]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-19, 20:46, said:

Fit showing for sure.

Fit showing unless you play some sort of 2 opening that would cover these.

[whereagles]

psyche with xxx of spades + diamond fit

[P_Marlowe]

Spade values and a diamond fit.

With a single suiter, he could have bid 2S.

A 2S instead of a 3S bid, which, although NF, also would have shown some
values, and a long suit.

I also belong in the camp, that say, if you did not open with a preempt,
you cant show it later.
We prefer our points in the suit, so if p would have a spade preempt,
his suit has to be lousy, so why should he introduce a lousy suit on
the 3 level, with no gurantee of a fit.
But this point is not relevant here, since a 2S bid was av.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kenberg]

P_Marlowe, on 2011-July-20, 06:05, said:

I also belong in the camp, that say, if you did not open with a preempt,
you cant show it later.
We prefer our points in the suit, so if p would have a spade preempt,
his suit has to be lousy, so why should he introduce a lousy suit on
the 3 level, with no guarantee of a fit.
But this point is not relevant here, since a 2S bid was av.

With kind regards
Marlowe

This fits my thinking also and, I think, applies fairly generally. Coming in later with a two-suiter may be right, but for one-suited preempts my policy is do do it right away or not do it. For reasons that others may or may not agree with I tend not to start the bidding at the three level when I have a side suit void. But then later, having not done it at my first go, I shut up.

So if I bid that way I would have some sort of spade values and a diamond fit. I wouldn't trot it out undiscussed though.