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Teams (IMP).
You Passed on your 1st turn, because your style is not to open light with minors, when vulnerable.
What now?
Feel free to comment about the 1st Pass , but if it really bothers you , just assume LHO was the dealer.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 00:22
Teams (IMP).
You Passed on your 1st turn, because your style is not to open light with minors, when vulnerable.
What now?
Feel free to comment about the 1st Pass , but if it really bothers you , just assume LHO was the dealer.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 01:44
MPs or IMPs?
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Posted 2011-July-12, 01:46
If it's your style to not open light, then there's no point in discussing your 1st pass imo. Some open these hands, some don't.
Now I'd bid 3♣, this should show a decent hand (we're V vs NV and you're not bidding Lebensohl - if you play that in this situation).
Now I'd bid 3♣, this should show a decent hand (we're V vs NV and you're not bidding Lebensohl - if you play that in this situation).
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Posted 2011-July-12, 03:27
This looks very strong for 3♣, even if we're playing Lebensohl. On the other hand, there's no certainty of game - eg xx AQxx KQxx Qxx is a respectable takeout double.
If I were to do something stronger, it's not clear what I should do. I could bid 3♠ to see if he bids 3NT, but if he doesn't he may bid 4♦, so I'd be committed to game opposite a 2443 minimum. Maybe there should be a distinction between double-then-3♠ and a direct 3♠, but I've never discussed that with anyone.
At IMPs, I'd try a direct 4♣, giving up on 3NT but making it clear that there's only one suit in the picture. If he turns out to have a 2452 shape, I may still make. At matchpoints, I'd probably bid 3♣ and hope that opener actually has an opening bid.
If I were to do something stronger, it's not clear what I should do. I could bid 3♠ to see if he bids 3NT, but if he doesn't he may bid 4♦, so I'd be committed to game opposite a 2443 minimum. Maybe there should be a distinction between double-then-3♠ and a direct 3♠, but I've never discussed that with anyone.
At IMPs, I'd try a direct 4♣, giving up on 3NT but making it clear that there's only one suit in the picture. If he turns out to have a 2452 shape, I may still make. At matchpoints, I'd probably bid 3♣ and hope that opener actually has an opening bid.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-July-12, 04:56
Easy lebensohlic 3♣, unless pard's dbl promises the world (in which case he's going to pass a lot LOL).
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Posted 2011-July-12, 06:32
I would bid 3♣ (showing values using Lebensohl). Partner may have a semi-balanced hand with spade values, so we cannot bypass the most likely game - 3NT. This risks missing a good 5♣ if partner cannot take another call with shortness in spades.
As is often said in Master Solvers Club, "if I can just get past this round of bidding..."
As is often said in Master Solvers Club, "if I can just get past this round of bidding..."
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Posted 2011-July-12, 07:25
your choices are negligible but your game chances are fairly low so even not playing lebensohl you are pretty much screwed into trying 3♣ which should show decent values considering the colors.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 12:37
I play 2N as Scrambling or 2 Places to play in all these spots usually... Therefore I think I'd bid 3♣, and hope for the best. Tough problem though.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 19:57
I would bid 3C on this hand. probably best of a bad lot. Double, denying 4H for me and showing values would be a second choice and acceptable.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 05:29
double then 3♠ if partner bids 3♦ looks the best effort to me. 3♣ is a big underbid imo
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Posted 2011-July-14, 06:45
North's 3rd seat opening could be quite light, given partners X and my maximum I think game is a definite possibilty.
I can show decent ♥ tolerance(Hxx) with a responsive X, If he rebids the expected 3♦ I will cue ♠ and go from there.
I can show decent ♥ tolerance(Hxx) with a responsive X, If he rebids the expected 3♦ I will cue ♠ and go from there.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 14:42
gnasher, on 2011-July-12, 03:27, said:
This looks very strong for 3♣, even if we're playing Lebensohl. On the other hand, there's no certainty of game - eg xx AQxx KQxx Qxx is a respectable takeout double.
If I were to do something stronger, it's not clear what I should do. I could bid 3♠ to see if he bids 3NT, but if he doesn't he may bid 4♦, so I'd be committed to game opposite a 2443 minimum. Maybe there should be a distinction between double-then-3♠ and a direct 3♠, but I've never discussed that with anyone.
At IMPs, I'd try a direct 4♣, giving up on 3NT but making it clear that there's only one suit in the picture. If he turns out to have a 2452 shape, I may still make. At matchpoints, I'd probably bid 3♣ and hope that opener actually has an opening bid.
If I were to do something stronger, it's not clear what I should do. I could bid 3♠ to see if he bids 3NT, but if he doesn't he may bid 4♦, so I'd be committed to game opposite a 2443 minimum. Maybe there should be a distinction between double-then-3♠ and a direct 3♠, but I've never discussed that with anyone.
At IMPs, I'd try a direct 4♣, giving up on 3NT but making it clear that there's only one suit in the picture. If he turns out to have a 2452 shape, I may still make. At matchpoints, I'd probably bid 3♣ and hope that opener actually has an opening bid.
I play an immediate 3S as a good 4H bid (i.e. to set up a forcing pass over 4S) and double-then-3S as balanced looking for the best game.
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