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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:13
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:18
4♥
3♥ might work to expose partner's values in hearts, but 4♥ which should be a splinter, which should be at least this strong for minors, better describes our hand.
3♥ might work to expose partner's values in hearts, but 4♥ which should be a splinter, which should be at least this strong for minors, better describes our hand.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:19
Hanoi5, on 2011-June-21, 08:18, said:
4♥
My first thoughts too.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:32
4♥ seems the obvious choice, bidding 5♥ as exclusion is rather agressive imo, and 3♥ doesn't get our hand type across. On the other hand, if you bid 3♥ partner can still end up in 3NT... Pfff, I guess 4♥ should be ok.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:33
I worry this is too good for 4♥. If partner bids 5♣, will we know what to do? Even if we do know what to do, will we be allowed to do it if partner bids 5♣ slowly?
A bid of 3♥, forcing to slam over anything but 3NT, and bidding 4♥ over 3NT would be the other plan (the other other plan is just force to slam no matter what). I hope 3♥..4♥ is more encouraging than just 4♥, as I already know partner has some heart wastage, but it may not be clear I have a void.
A bid of 3♥, forcing to slam over anything but 3NT, and bidding 4♥ over 3NT would be the other plan (the other other plan is just force to slam no matter what). I hope 3♥..4♥ is more encouraging than just 4♥, as I already know partner has some heart wastage, but it may not be clear I have a void.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:33
before you select 4♥ as your call, you need to be sure agreements are in place that will allow partner to make sensible rebids. There is not a lot of room between 4♥ and 5♣!
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Posted 2011-June-21, 08:52
I dont really understand the splinter bid. As far as i know splinter targets the hands where we make slam IF pd has no wasted values in the splinter suit. Are we gonna give up if pd has wasted hcps in ♥ suit and bids 5♣ ?
KQxx
KJx
KJx
xxx
This is cold slam vs totally wasted 4 hcps in ♥
Kx
Kxx
AKx
xxxxx
This is a cold grandslam vs a balanced minimum hand with again wasted 3 hcp ♥. Not trying to pick hands to show we always make slam, just pointing out that splinter with void and unexpected source of tricks is not as reliable as it seems to most people.
How about
xxx KQx AKx xxxx
xxx AKx AKx xxxx
xxx AKQ Axx xxxx ? I can build pd's hand with all kinds of ♥ hcps and we still could be cold for slam or grandslam..
And ironically pd will think he has a good hand with this vs a splinter ...
KQJ
Ax
Kxx
Jxxxx
I would start with 3♥ and i will try to work my way from there, eventhough it is not perfect i will at least know if we have ♦ control or not.
EDIT : Perhaps 4♣ should be played forcing after a preempt.
KQxx
KJx
KJx
xxx
This is cold slam vs totally wasted 4 hcps in ♥
Kx
Kxx
AKx
xxxxx
This is a cold grandslam vs a balanced minimum hand with again wasted 3 hcp ♥. Not trying to pick hands to show we always make slam, just pointing out that splinter with void and unexpected source of tricks is not as reliable as it seems to most people.
How about
xxx KQx AKx xxxx
xxx AKx AKx xxxx
xxx AKQ Axx xxxx ? I can build pd's hand with all kinds of ♥ hcps and we still could be cold for slam or grandslam..
And ironically pd will think he has a good hand with this vs a splinter ...
KQJ
Ax
Kxx
Jxxxx
I would start with 3♥ and i will try to work my way from there, eventhough it is not perfect i will at least know if we have ♦ control or not.
EDIT : Perhaps 4♣ should be played forcing after a preempt.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 09:42
4♥ is exclusion the way we play, with a rebid for "bad hand in context" interspersed into the responses.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 10:12
Say you bid 3H as I did at the table. Then LHO bids 4H and partner doubles (penalty). Now what?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 11:00
han, on 2011-June-21, 10:12, said:
Say you bid 3H as I did at the table. Then LHO bids 4H and partner doubles (penalty). Now what?
There are too many hands where the ♥ wastage makes slam anti-%age as you are really choosing between pass and 6♣ so I am inclined to pass partner's X
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Posted 2011-June-21, 11:08
han, on 2011-June-21, 10:12, said:
Say you bid 3H as I did at the table. Then LHO bids 4H and partner doubles (penalty). Now what?
4♠
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Posted 2011-June-21, 13:16
Prefer 3♥ to the splinter because pard is bal 12-14 like 110% of the time and will have a hard time evaluating his hand after a 4♥ bid.
After 3♥, LHO's raise and pard's dbl, I'll pull to 5♥ now. I should have a play for 6. Probably it won't be possible to bid a grand here, but I'll give it a try nonetheless.
After 3♥, LHO's raise and pard's dbl, I'll pull to 5♥ now. I should have a play for 6. Probably it won't be possible to bid a grand here, but I'll give it a try nonetheless.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 13:20
I'm cashing in on the zooming bonus. 6♣. Your lead.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 13:49
I am always driving to 6C with this hand, for better or worse.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 14:06
5♣, sorry partner.
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 15:13
3H for me at this stage. The real problem comes after partner's next bid. If pd does not bid 3NT I will be delighted.
I dislike 4H. It does not help me at all if partner bids 5C, does it?
After partner's x - I am overruling this and bidding 6C.
I dislike 4H. It does not help me at all if partner bids 5C, does it?
After partner's x - I am overruling this and bidding 6C.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 15:55
Great hand because it illuminates the potential actions of the opponents. Might as well bid 4♥ since 3♥ begets 4 ♥ on my left with 13♥ missing. 4♥ more or less forces us to slam, but it helps us bid seven if that is right.
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Posted 2011-June-21, 16:28
han, on 2011-June-21, 10:12, said:
Say you bid 3H as I did at the table. Then LHO bids 4H and partner doubles (penalty). Now what?
6♥. It will be spectacularly wrong if partner holds
♠ QJxx ♥ AKxx ♦ Kx ♣ xxx
I would bid 3♥ also. 4♥ should show a singleton, not a singleton or void.
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Posted 2011-June-22, 00:52
D-void splinter, then 6C.
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Posted 2011-June-22, 20:52
5H now
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