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Posted 2011-March-16, 11:34
I didn't want to post this in the bridge forum.
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Posted 2011-March-16, 11:41
jillybean, on 2011-March-16, 11:34, said:
I didn't want to post this in the brdige forum.
North has a 3♦ or a 3NT call maybe a 4♣ call but (s)he is way too strong for a 3♣ call
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Posted 2011-March-16, 12:18
What's wrong with 4♦?
If the problem is that this would be kickback, I don't see that as a problem. Kickback works wonders, also.
If I had to pick between 3 and 6, I'd blast 6.
If the problem is that this would be kickback, I don't see that as a problem. Kickback works wonders, also.
If I had to pick between 3 and 6, I'd blast 6.
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Posted 2011-March-16, 15:51
it's been quite awhile for me, but i'd have bid 3♦ over west's 2♦... iirc, that sets (p'ship agreement i guess) a game force... i guess then it would go
3♦ : 3nt
4♣ : 4♠ (has to show the king)
4nt (is this bw now? i hope so) : 5♦
6♣
3♦ : 3nt
4♣ : 4♠ (has to show the king)
4nt (is this bw now? i hope so) : 5♦
6♣
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Posted 2011-March-16, 16:15
the hand in this thread reminds me of a team match I watched yesterday.
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Posted 2011-March-16, 17:35
Why did south open the bidding?
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Posted 2011-March-17, 03:33
Winstonm, on 2011-March-16, 17:35, said:
Why did south open the bidding?
To avoid missing a slam opposite a partner who holds 16 HCP.
All foolishness aside: I can see that you would pass the South hand and I don't want to feed everyone that would pass, but I think it is a normal minimum opening bid in a slightly aggressive (aka "modern"
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Posted 2011-March-29, 10:45
I'd always open the south hand (either 1♣ or weak no trump), but would also always bid 2♥ on the N hand first time, showing 5+♥, 4+♣, only F1 but big when I bid again.
In your auction I'd probably bid 3♦ over 2♦
In your auction I'd probably bid 3♦ over 2♦
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Posted 2011-March-29, 12:37
South's hand is total !@$?. Opening this isn't aggressive, it's diseased. There is a line, you know, and terrible 11s are below that line.
If you've agreed otherwise inside your partnership, then fine. But that's the exception, not the rule.
3♣ is nonforcing, so obviously it's wrong also. Then again, maybe North was praying they could even make 3♣ since they've obviously seen partner's laughable judgment re: opening bids before.
If you've agreed otherwise inside your partnership, then fine. But that's the exception, not the rule.
3♣ is nonforcing, so obviously it's wrong also. Then again, maybe North was praying they could even make 3♣ since they've obviously seen partner's laughable judgment re: opening bids before.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 12:58
1♣ AND 3♣ are from another planet.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 21:03
I agree that souths 1♣ opening is... aggressive, but norths 3♣ is outlandish. Im sure it was meant as forcing, but it aint and it turns out that south shares my opinion 
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3♦ as FG and when south bid 3Nt u take it away bidding 4♣. That way u should be able to find u 6♣.
.3♦ as FG and when south bid 3Nt u take it away bidding 4♣. That way u should be able to find u 6♣.
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Posted 2011-March-30, 07:07
Good rule to remember: bidding opener's suit at the cheapest level in competition is always natural and non-forcing*.
*this rule does say or deny whether other bids are forcing, or that bidding opener's suit in unopposed bidding is forcing, or anything more than it says
**neither do I mean to assume that jillybean was North, or that she didn't know this rule
***I'm just having fun with this small font
*this rule does say or deny whether other bids are forcing, or that bidding opener's suit in unopposed bidding is forcing, or anything more than it says
**neither do I mean to assume that jillybean was North, or that she didn't know this rule
***I'm just having fun with this small font
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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