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Unusual Positives: The Lost Bids?

#1 User is offline   gurgistan 

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Posted 2011-March-23, 06:55

I have decided to play the Unsual Positives treatment that uses 2, 2, 3, 3 to show 4441 and 8hcp+ with the bid suit indicating that the singleton is in the suit above it.

What I would like to know is what becomes of the hand types that would normally make those bids in Wei's original Precision.

2 and 2 would normally show a 6-card suit with 4-7hcp. With 7hcp I am happy to bid these hands as 1 and/or 1. What if the hcp is weaker? Are they going into 1?

3 and 3 would normally show a 7-card suit with 4-7hcp. Would all of these hcp counts become 2 and/or 2 as appropriate?

Could someone throw light on my darkness?

Many thanks for any and all relevant posts.
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Posted 2011-March-23, 06:57

Bid 1, and hope you can show your hand later on.
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Posted 2011-March-23, 07:04

When I played Precision, we used 2NT for all 4441 positives, which allowed us to keep the original meanings for 2, 2, 3, 3. After a 2NT response, 3 asked for the suit-below-the-singleton, after which a bid of a suit set that suit and asked for controls.
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Posted 2011-March-23, 07:49

Berkowitz's treatment isn't bad... it allows you to keep 2M as "weak 2 type" and splits the 4441s into weaker/stronger categories.

1C-

2H/S: 4-6 6 card suit w/concentrated values
3C: 8-13 4=4=4=1 or 1=4=4=4 (black singleton); 3D asks; 3H=clubs, 3S=spades
3D: 8-13 4=(14)=4 (red singleton); 3H asks; 3S=diamonds, 3NT=hearts
3H: 14+ 1=4=4=4
3S: AKQxxxx+ somewhere
3NT: 14+ 4=4=4=1
4C: 14+ 4=4=1=4
4D: 14+ 4=1=4=4

On the 1C-3m responses, most of the time opener won't need to know the location of the singleton and can just place the contract.
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Posted 2011-March-27, 11:35

Another approach which I have used for 3 years:

1 - 2 = any 4441 hand. 2 asks for 1-under the singleton.

1 - 2 = 5440 with a 5-cd minor. 2NT asks for the minor, 3 = 5, 3 = 4=0=5=4, 3 = 0=4=5=4, and 3 = 4=4=5=0.

Later bid of the singleton or void asks for Controls, suit bids below game are RKC.
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Posted 2011-March-27, 12:42

Unusual positives r new for me, but i remeber bout a book from 60`s
or 70`s made by Belladonna or Garozzo or one of those "Blue boys". They used impossible negative bids in responsing strong opening.
Basicly u respond 1 negative with positive 4441 hand and then u jump next round in suit below the singleton. I do hope that my memory serves me correctly :lol: .
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Posted 2011-March-27, 17:42

If you're going to use a direct bid to show all the 4441 positives, I like 2 a lot more than 2N. That way the concealed hand can play 3N and have it's stopper(s) protected from the obvious lead.

I currently play that these strong 4441 hands respond 1, together with most 0-7 hands, and usually jump later in the auction.
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Posted 2011-March-27, 18:11

View Postrbforster, on 2011-March-27, 17:42, said:

If you're going to use a direct bid to show all the 4441 positives, I like 2 a lot more than 2N. That way the concealed hand can play 3N and have it's stopper(s) protected from the obvious lead.

I currently play that these strong 4441 hands respond 1, together with most 0-7 hands, and usually jump later in the auction.


Jumps later in the auction could be better used as mini-splinters and 4-7 hcp or fit jumps either of which tend to be more frequent than impossible negatives.

It also good technique to use 1-under to show the singleton then the bid of the singleton can be Beta for Controls and a suit bid is RKC with that suit usually trumps (or the Q is missing in the opener's hand).

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