What is your bid? Bidding problem
#1
Posted 2004-September-03, 10:57
S A109xx
H Kxxx
D 109x
C K
The bidding is
W N E S
-- P 1D* 1H
2D ?
1D* - precision club (11-15 hcp, 1+ card)
1H - 8-15 hcp, 5+ cards
2D - natural, NF
Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMPs
You play team match in live, IMP scoring.
The system is 2/1.
Stefan
#2
Posted 2004-September-03, 11:35
2♠ with four card support is out of the question, and should be forcing anyway (instead of non-forcing). 3♥ weak is HUGE underbid, 4♥ is denying that you have a living, breathing partner at the table, who when you provide with the accurate information, can make the right decision most of the time.
Ben
#3
Posted 2004-September-03, 14:33
i honestly prefer a spade bid, as a lead directer promising hearts, but i'm not sure how most would take that
#4
Posted 2004-September-03, 15:04
skorchev, on Sep 3 2004, 11:57 AM, said:
S A109xx
H Kxxx
D 109x
C K
The bidding is
W N E S
-- P 1D* 1H
2D ?
1D* - precision club (11-15 hcp, 1+ card)
1H - 8-15 hcp, 5+ cards
2D - natural, NF
Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMPs
You play team match in live, IMP scoring.
The system is 2/1.
Stefan
I want a limit raise in H, so I'll double, and if P says 2H, I'll say 3.
Damn, this hand looks good...
That's about worst possible distribution and points I can expect from partner, and it still makes 4. I think the hand is too strong for 3D.
Someday, when I'm even Advanced, I'll know better.
#5
Posted 2004-September-03, 15:13
What possible hand can bid 2♠ here without hearts and without an opening bid?
Eric
#6
Posted 2004-September-03, 16:49
2♠ if I think partner understands, otherwise 2NT.
Gerben
#7
Posted 2004-September-03, 18:40
#8
Posted 2004-September-04, 03:10
And about the FNJ, you play with this partner for first time, and the risk is too high.
Stefan
#9
Posted 2004-September-04, 04:52
skorchev, on Sep 4 2004, 09:10 AM, said:
And about the FNJ, you play with this partner for first time, and the risk is too high.
Stefan
But I still can't imagine a hand which can safely bid 2♠ now, couldn't open, and doesn't have a ♥ fit.
Eric
#10
Posted 2004-September-04, 04:59
EricK, on Sep 4 2004, 05:52 AM, said:
skorchev, on Sep 4 2004, 09:10 AM, said:
And about the FNJ, you play with this partner for first time, and the risk is too high.
Stefan
But I still can't imagine a hand which can safely bid 2♠ now, couldn't open, and doesn't have a ♥ fit.
Eric
What about
♠Axxxxx
♥x
♦xxx
♣Axx
or
♠AJxxxx
♥x
♦xx
♣QJxx
Do you open weak 2s with 2 single Aces or with 6-4?
Stefan
#11
Posted 2004-September-04, 06:33
no, in the sequence shown i'm more convinced than ever that 2S is a fnj... i'd not pass partner there... i might raise spades, show another suit, return to hearts, but not pass.. if pard rebid spades (say after i returned to hearts), then i'd have to admit i was wrong and he really did forget how to preempt
#12
Posted 2004-September-04, 07:08
Ben
#13
Posted 2004-September-04, 10:33
#14
Posted 2004-September-04, 12:16
inquiry, on Sep 4 2004, 01:08 PM, said:
Ben
This is a difficult one, though.
Often a FJ or FNJ is mainly to help partner decide whether to sacrifice (or to bid on over their sacrifice). In those cases, secondary honours are useful. But here, aren't we more interested in finding out if we actually have a game?
How is partner supposed to know that QJx in spades is like gold?
Eric
#15
Posted 2004-September-04, 13:45
EricK, on Sep 4 2004, 01:16 PM, said:
QJx
AQJxx
xx
QJx loses 2D, 1C, probably the spade finesse
QJx
QJ10xx
xxx
AQ loses 3D, 1H, down even if the spade finesse wins
QJx
AQJ10xx
Qx
xx loses 2D, 1C, probably the spade finesse
Clearly, S-QJx is better than C-QJx, but gold?
Fool's gold?
#16
Posted 2004-September-04, 14:05
paulhar, on Sep 4 2004, 07:45 PM, said:
EricK, on Sep 4 2004, 01:16 PM, said:
QJx
AQJxx
xx
QJx loses 2D, 1C, probably the spade finesse
QJx
QJ10xx
xxx
AQ loses 3D, 1H, down even if the spade finesse wins
QJx
AQJ10xx
Qx
xx loses 2D, 1C, probably the spade finesse
Clearly, S-QJx is better than C-QJx, but gold?
Fool's gold?
I am not saying that QJx is enough for game, but if you don't tell partner what cards are useful he will just be guessing, and you will miss a lot of games which are there.
Note also that partner has made a non-jump overcall of the cheapest possible suit opposite a passed partner. I expect him to have quite a strong hand. I really ought to look for game with an eight loser hand and a 9+ card fit.
Eric
#17
Posted 2004-September-05, 03:15
I bid 3♥(I know that it isn't a good bid, pls don't post how stuped am I ). But after my stupid bid I got the right game.
The bidding:
----- P 1♦ 1♥
2♦ 3♥ 4♦ P
P 4♥ All pass
When they said 4♦ and I see again my hand I understood how stupid is my bid (3♥) and I bid 4♥ with the idea that they have 130 and if we go down with double they will write 100 and +1 IMP for us.
But they didn't double(!). My partner played very fast, it seems the game was easy and he MADE!
------------------♠A109xx
------------------♥Kxxx
------------------♦109x
------------------♣K
♠Qxx-------------------------♠Kx
♥Q10-------------------------♥xx
♦KJxxx-----------------------♦AQxx
♣xxx--------------------------♣AJxxx
------------------♠Jxx
------------------♥AJxxx
------------------♦x
------------------♣Q10xx
*-* = *space*
I suppose that if I bid something else I never would got this game, because they never would bid 4♦. The once way to get this game is if I bid 2♠-FNJ (but I never would, because we didn't comment this situation) and my partner should bid very aggressive to get 4♥.
However we won the 8-board match with 44 IMPs!
Tnx to everyone who comment and vote this post.
Stefan
#18
Posted 2004-September-05, 07:29
When the bidding is competitive its better to use a bid that describes your hand fully, that is, you don´t need any extra bid because you have given already most of the info you want.
If it is the first time you paly with him stefan, were you that sure than 2NT would be with support?.
Jimmy asked aboit the meaning of 3♠, and I think it is a clear major 2-suiter, the problem is you may be not strong enough for it.
#19
Posted 2004-September-05, 07:41
Fluffy, on Sep 5 2004, 08:29 AM, said:
When the bidding is competitive its better to use a bid that describes your hand fully, that is, you don´t need any extra bid because you have given already most of the info you want.
If it is the first time you paly with him stefan, were you that sure than 2NT would be with support?.
Jimmy asked aboit the meaning of 3♠, and I think it is a clear major 2-suiter, the problem is you may be not strong enough for it.
2NT surely is with fit and game invite, it's most popular in Bulgaria. 3♠ need serious agreement to be used, but as you said the hand isn't so strong to bid 3♠ never mind what it means.
Stefan
#20
Posted 2004-September-05, 10:39
I think that this hand is not good enough to force to game, so I wouldn't bid 3S. I would need something like AQJxx Kxxx xxx x or even AJ10xx Kxxxx xx x. I would bid 2S if available, else 2NT.
- hrothgar