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Passed hand splinter

Poll: Passed hand splinter (35 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. RDbl (1st round control) (16 votes [45.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.71%

  2. Pass (waiting) (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  3. 4H (last train - what does it mean here?) (6 votes [17.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.14%

  4. 4S (signoff) (12 votes [34.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.29%

  5. 4NT (RKC) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. something else - please explain (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2011-January-31, 07:13



Your call?
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Posted 2011-January-31, 11:24

At our table the bidding started:
Pass-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦-??
- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage
- 3♥=asks
- 4♦=singleton ♦
(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).
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Posted 2011-January-31, 11:44

I'm signing off, will apologise if partner has Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

ps. kgr, why do you need a 4th step when there are only 3 possible singletons? One of them showing a void?
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Posted 2011-January-31, 12:40

 manudude03, on 2011-January-31, 11:44, said:

I'm signing off, will apologise if partner has Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

ps. kgr, why do you need a 4th step when there are only 3 possible singletons? One of them showing a void?

Yes; after 3♥ inquiry the 3♠ bid is showing a void and 3NT then asks the void.

EDIT: I think that 4H asks a Club control.
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Posted 2011-February-01, 04:52

4S - move the Ace of diamonds to another suit, and I would make another try.

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Posted 2011-February-01, 06:22

 Free, on 2011-January-31, 07:13, said:



Your call?



Bidding 4♠ in this situation would show an absolute minimum 1♠ opening, probably with wasted values in ♦.
And with this hand, I surely want to help P in his search for slam.

Rdble after this sequence cannot be a suggestion to play 4♦XX: it is showing a control in ♦ and in light of P's single (or void) it is the Ace.
4♥, would deny first round control in ♦ and show a 1st or 2nd round control in H.
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Posted 2011-February-01, 06:33

 kgr, on 2011-January-31, 11:24, said:

At our table the bidding started:
Pass-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦-??
- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage
- 3♥=asks
- 4♦=singleton ♦
(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

And the bidding continued:
Pass-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦-4♥
5♣-6♠
- For me 4♥ asked a ♣ control
- I think that 4♥ followed by 5♠ (iso 6♠) is describing this hand
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Posted 2011-February-01, 09:26

 Free, on 2011-January-31, 07:13, said:



Your call?

Assuming no trick loss in Trumps, you can make the
XX after the X of partner's 4D! splinter..... showing the ACE.

Then if partner cuebids 4♥,
you could then make the 5-of-trump bid ( 5S! ) asking for the Cl Ctrl ( the unbid suit ).

With no Ht Ctrl bid by partner, then sign-off in 4S.

Slam possibility with:
K x x x,   K x x x,   x,   K J x x

or good chances even with:
Q x x x,   K Q x x,   x,   K x x x
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Posted 2011-February-01, 13:01

4♥. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available.

This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4♠, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.
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Posted 2011-February-01, 17:34

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-01, 09:26, said:

or good chances even with:
Q x x x,   K Q x x,   x,   K x x x


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Its indeed a very good hand with 14 hcp, 3 aces and 6 card trump. But those who are adventurous about this slam has to find pd with Kxxx ♠ or less in order to have a shot at it. If pd has KQJx KQxx ♠ slam is very unlikely. In general i dont like my ♦ shortness vs a stiff. I can ruff only 1♦. I would probably be more ambitious if i had Axx ♦
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Posted 2011-February-01, 18:36

Sorry but I think people envisioning slam are having a pipe dream. We need Kxxx♠ from partner, plus club fillers and a working 11 count with a stiff I expect partner to have opened the bidding with. I think this is an easy 4♠
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Posted 2011-February-02, 02:29

 nigel_k, on 2011-February-01, 13:01, said:

4♥. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available.

This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4♠, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

Then 4♥ asks a ♣ control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5♣ over it with ♣A (and with ♣K)?
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Posted 2011-February-02, 04:45

Did not notice that 4♦ is on a passed hand.

No, have to agree that slam is far away, P need too much for his 11H.
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Posted 2011-February-02, 04:47

Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?
- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)
- 4♠ = ?
- 5♣ = ?
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Posted 2011-February-02, 10:04

 kgr, on 2011-January-31, 11:24, said:

At our table the bidding started:
Pass-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦-??
- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage
- 3♥=asks
- 4♦=singleton ♦
(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming.
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Posted 2011-February-02, 10:15

 Fluffy, on 2011-February-02, 10:04, said:

 kgr, on 2011-January-31, 11:24, said:

At our table the bidding started:
Pass-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦-??
- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage
- 3♥=asks
- 4♦=singleton ♦
(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming.

After 3♥:
3♠=void => 3NT asks which void
3NT=singleton other Major
4♣/4♦=singleton ♣/♦
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Posted 2011-February-02, 13:50

 kgr, on 2011-February-02, 02:29, said:

Then 4♥ asks a ♣ control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5♣ over it with ♣A (and with ♣K)?

No. If I only need a club control and nothing else I can try one more time. Partner should continue with a suitable hand, whatever he thinks that is. An ace and two kings would certainly qualify. Something like KQxx QJxx x Kxxx would not.
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Posted 2011-February-03, 02:26

 Fluffy, on 2011-February-02, 10:04, said:

If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming.

3NT is ♥ shortness.
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Posted 2011-February-03, 07:46

 Free, on 2011-February-02, 04:47, said:

Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?
- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)
- 4♠ = ?
- 5♣ = ?

Anyone care to respond to these questions?
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Posted 2011-February-03, 10:50

 Free, on 2011-February-02, 04:47, said:

Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?
- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)
- 4♠ = ?
- 5♣ = ?

4♥=control (I don't play last train if the hand rather good defined)
4♠=No ♥-control
5♣=No ♥-control; extra's. (Eg ♠K and ♣AK)
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