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The Misadventures of Rex and Jay--#5746 Such a simple question

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Posted 2010-November-07, 07:52

First hand in a team match, you are Red versus white and hold:


Are you preempting or passing? If preempting, at what level?


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Posted 2010-November-07, 08:13

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Posted 2010-November-07, 08:28

Pass.
When I preempt 2 in first or second seat partner could very well have a strong hand and start bidding.
He will be very disappointed with my dummy.

In third hand I would preempt 3, now partner can no langer harm us and they certainly have the power to make game, maybe more.
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Posted 2010-November-07, 08:36

pass as first hand, but unlike what was posted before me, just as easy pass as third hand.
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Posted 2010-November-07, 08:40

It is close, but, if I can, I will bid 2D.

I will apolologice, if it backfires.

At equal vul. - 2D is clear cut, at green vs. red 3D.

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Posted 2010-November-07, 10:32

View Postmicrocap, on 2010-November-07, 07:52, said:

First hand in a team match, you are Red versus white and hold:

Are you preempting or passing? If preempting, at what level?
IMO _P = 10, 3 = 8, 2 = 7
Just a matter of partnership agreement.You license pre-empts on a sliding scale e.g.
  • 2nd seat, vul, at teams: 3 = 7 card suit, 2 top honours. 2 = Good 6 card suit, 2 top honours or 3 honours. 5-9 HCP.
  • 1st seat, vul, at teams: a bit less rigorous but not much.
  • 3rd seat, not vul, at pairs: Licence to Kill.

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Posted 2010-November-07, 12:05

Anyone opening this hand red vs white needs a 1 way ticket to the asylum
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Posted 2010-November-07, 12:52

I gave fluffy a point for his terse, and absolutely correct, post. Why do so many people think it is a crime to pass when holding a long suit, and a hand that doesn't come close to meeting partner's expectations for a preempt?
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Posted 2010-November-07, 13:21

Thank you , I love all of you guys.

Rex's exact quote afterward was "Everyone would open this 3." As it wasn't even opened 3 in the other room, I suggested he should edit the word "everyone."

Given the comments, perhaps he should have written "No one would open this 3." Except for Rex obviously.
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Posted 2010-November-07, 13:27

View Postmicrocap, on 2010-November-07, 13:21, said:

Thank you , I love all of you guys.

Rex's exact quote afterward was "Everyone would open this 3." As it wasn't even opened 3 in the other room, I suggested he should edit the word "everyone."

Given the comments, perhaps he should have written "No one would open this 3." Except for Rex obviously.


Tell us what happened, what was partner's hand.
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Posted 2010-November-07, 16:52

I am a junior. I pass.
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Posted 2010-November-08, 05:37

RHO bid 3 over 3. I held


What do you do now?
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Posted 2010-November-08, 06:39

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RHO bid 3 over 3.
What do you do now?
IMO 3N = 10, _P = 8, _X = 6, 4 = 4, assuming that a first in hand vulnerable pre-empt shows a good suit, so partner is quite likely to have A
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Posted 2010-November-08, 07:10

Since I know what crap I preempt with, this is a clear pass.
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Posted 2010-November-08, 07:21

pass with both hands I think...
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Posted 2010-November-08, 08:21

I don't like the pass with Jay's hand, either we have some heart fit and do it ok in 4 hearts, or we don't and 4 can go for a number, with all a guess I bid 4 so opponents can make last mistake.
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Posted 2010-November-08, 10:58

Two things : I owe Rex an apology as I went over the top in my snarky comments.

Second, I didn't like pass or 4, so I doubled thinking I had 4 tricks and while I didn't think Rex had the A, I felt he would get at least a trick opposite my singleton. I was hoping to catch him on a great day with xxx x KQJxxxx xx where he could dump his clubs on my hearts and we send them for 300 or 500. It was not to be of course as they had 9 tricks easily.

I don't think 4 is a winning call, I would pass next time.

As I always say, don't preempt when your partner has a good hand, preempt when he has a bad hand. I will leave it to your telepathic system to know when.
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Posted 2010-November-08, 15:38

View Postmicrocap, on 2010-November-08, 10:58, said:

As I always say, don't preempt when your partner has a good hand, preempt when he has a bad hand. I will leave it to your telepathic system to know when.

The weaker your preempt is, the better your partners hand can be.
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