[gwnn]

all vul IMPS sorry about the other thread

[Hanoi5]

1♣-1M-2♣

But it's close to 1♣-1M-2♦. I might do that if partner bids the Major where I hold the J.

[mohitz]

I know it isn't pretty but I will open 1NT.

Second distant choice, rebid clubs.

This post has been edited by mohitz: 2010-July-08, 06:42

[655321]

1NT, and very happy to do it anyway. But when we see how unattractive all the other options(?) are, 1NT becomes even more of a no brainer for me.

[jjbrr]

1NT ldo. i have 15-17 bal.

[dake50]

AK + AK in my 5-4 persuades me to reverse.
Shy but tops where partner expects them if he's looking up.
He should be well placed for a good decision: game/no? where? slam?

[mikeh]

I voted for 1♣ then 2♣, but confess that at the table, I'd probably bid 1N.

[Apollo81]

The only reasonable auctions are opening 1NT and rebidding 2♣ (regardless of which minor you open in your style). The hand is not close to a reverse, and raising partner's major is just silly.

[awm]

Usually I open 1NT with this strength/shape, but being weak in both majors as here is enough to convince me to try 1♣...2♣.

[jdonn]

1NT is terrible on the forums but I always do it in real life. The advantages simply become less constructive and more preemptive but there are still plenty of them. And then all my minor suit auctions are much better.

[aguahombre]

In real life, i seem to get dealt 4-5 in minors more often than I should ---so, I go thru this drill, each time:

1) If I open 1♣, then I must reverse or rebid 1N. ( this hand is too weak and too strong, respectably).

2) If I open 1♦, then I must rebid 2♣; but would like to avoid this if there is another option. In fact, if the hand is very minimum, I might even pass to avoid it.

3) If I open 1NT, oh --ok, I can stop thinking now. Still flawed, but in range.

[mikeh]

aguahombre, on Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM, said:

In real life, i seem to get dealt 4-5 in minors more often than I should  ---so, I go thru this drill, each time:

1) If I open 1♣, then I must reverse or rebid 1N.  ( this hand is too weak and too strong, respectably).

2) If I open 1♦, then I must rebid 2♣; but would like to avoid this if there is another option.  In fact, if the hand is very minimum, I might even pass to avoid it.

3) If I open 1NT, oh --ok, I can stop thinking now.  Still flawed, but in range.

I understand 3 and almost understand but disagree with 2, but I don't understand 1. Where is it said that in standard bidding 1♣ then 2♣ promises 6+ clubs or fewer than 15 hcp?

(hint: the answer is: nowhere)

[Little Kid]

1NT. I don't want to miss game by rebidding 2♣. Not opening 1NT on these hands also makes my 2m rebids less descriptive.

[aguahombre]

mikeh, on Jul 8 2010, 09:52 AM, said:

Where is it said that in standard bidding 1♣ then 2♣ promises 6+ clubs or fewer than 15 hcp?

(hint: the answer is: nowhere)

I wasn't trying to declare what "standard" is, or is not. I don't rebid 2C with only 5, and don't reverse with only 15; therefore, I was giving my thought processes. If you do those things, then you won't like what I do. The fact that I am surprised you do those things is not relevant to anything, but I believe there are others who think it is fairly common to avoid reversing with less than around 17 and to avoid rebidding a five card minor if there are alternatives.

[cherdanno]

jdonn, on Jul 8 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

1NT is terrible on the forums but I always do it in real life. The advantages simply become less constructive and more preemptive but there are still plenty of them. And then all my minor suit auctions are much better.

Mmmm, 62% votes for 1NT at this point! The forum is better than you think!

[jdonn]

Yes I'm so proud!

[nigel_k]

Open 1♣ and rebid 2♣. Really dislike 1NT, there are so many ways it can work out badly.

If the hand was slightly stronger it would be too good to rebid 2♣ and I suppose I would have to try opening 1NT or risk an under-strength reverse. Playing weak NT you can still open 1♣ on thse hands and rebid 1NT only if necessary.