[CSGibson]

Scoring: MP

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Multiple part question - Playing matchpoints, first to act, all NV. Do you open this?

If you decide to pass (maybe it's your choice, maybe your partner did something to bar you for one round), the auction goes:

P-(P)-1♣-(1♠) to you. Mother of all negative doubles, or start bidding your suits?

If you do start bidding your suits, do you start diamonds and reverse into hearts at whatever level, or just bid hearts and then diamonds?

[Codo]

I would double. Partner won't sit for it with his spades in front of declarer and I may later show my shape.

[the hog]

Codo, on Apr 21 2010, 01:42 PM, said:

I would double. Partner won't sit for it with his spades in front of declarer and I may later show my shape.

Agree with Roland. Yes I would pass first in hand unless I had a gadget.

[hanp]

Partner probably won't get the chance to pass because LHO will raise.

Good to have a bid here that shows 5-5 in the reds. (I think I know a very fine bridge player who does)

[Fluffy]

I'd try 2♥ after 1♠

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Apr 21 2010, 02:11 AM, said:

Codo, on Apr 21 2010, 01:42 PM, said:

I would double. Partner won't sit for it with his spades in front of declarer and I may later show my shape.

Agree with Roland. Yes I would pass first in hand unless I had a gadget.

me 3

[jillybean]

6520 - I open 1♦ and bid 2♦ over 1♠ and 4♥ over 2♥.
Yes, we may miss a ♥ fit.

[jjbrr]

pass then 2♦

[mikeh]

jillybean, on Apr 21 2010, 08:38 AM, said:

6520 - I open 1♦ and bid 2♦ over 1♠ and 4♥ over 2♥.
Yes, we may miss a ♥ fit.

I think you are taking aggression too far when you open this type of hand. Pass may be a 4 letter word, but it is still a legal, and often underused, bid. The problems with opening this hand include:

1) you are going to be in terrible trouble when partner has opening values and the black suits: even if the opps remain silent, this hand will be a disaster
2) you are going to be in terrible trouble if the opps bid and partner decides to double them: you may well have zero....count them...zero tricks and partner has to be able to count on you for some defence
3) you may get overboard even when partner has a fit and a good hand: he won't expect this weak a hand
4)you cause problems for other hands, later: a factor few players think about enough. The range for an opening bid has to have both an upper and a lower limit, else constructive bidding becomes too ill-defined. Start opening aceless 8 counts, and the lower limit is way too low.
5) as you acknowledge, you will often lose the heart suit. By passing, you will often get a chance to show both reds (you don't on the actual post but you would if the opps had bid, say, 1♣  1♠, as an example).

Most advancing players go through a stage when, having started as a somewhat conservative player...since that is how most are taught, they swing too far the other way. Outside of strong club players (who don't have to worry about point 4 and who have agreements on light openings, so don't have to worry about 1,2 and 3) few good players would open this hand.

[Jlall]

Definitely pass to begin with, there's no bid to describe this and most of the time you have a bid to show the reds later.

After 1S please don't make a negative double lol. It's 2 of either red suit. Usually I'd bid 2H hoping to get both suits in but my diamonds are soo much better I'd just go with 2D.

[akhare]

P in first seat seems normal unless playing some system that can handle a 8+ opening.

Having passed, 2♦...

[pirate22]

Open 1d--and rebid 2 d whatever pards 1 response,i would not rebid 2 hts,

[MFA]

Pass then 2♦. Lefty probably raises spades after which I will bid again regardless of level (4NT over 4♠).

[whereagles]

Zero defensive tricks and an easy way to bid later = pass 1st seat. Then 2♥, intending to show diamonds later on.