[bd71]

Scoring: MP

2N-3D
3H-?

2N=20-22
No tools agreed besides Jacoby/Texas transfers

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Please suggest your immediate bid, and also how to follow-up based on likely responses from partner.

[gwnn]

4♣ natural slam invite or better.

will not stop below 6x

[jdonn]

Yes 4♣. The alternatives are 4NT or 5NT giving partner a choice between slam/game in the first case and hearts/notrump in both cases.

[kfay]

gwnn, on May 7 2010, 05:29 PM, said:

will not stop below 6x

I guess it's right on the line....


Thank God for the ♥10!!

I'll let partner out in 5 though if need be.

Hey... sometimes he upgrades 19s on a 5-card diamond suit?

[gwnn]

thats his fault, hee hee hee

he's gonna declare it and i'm gonna lol at him.

[karlson]

4n seems like enough to me, and I'm not really dying to emphasize clubs with the scattered values. Can still get to them if partner bids them over 4n.

[bd71]

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now?

[mike777]

4nt quant. over 3h.

[jillybean]

bd71, on May 7 2010, 08:11 PM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now?

Find a new partner who will cue bid.

[CSGibson]

bd71, on May 7 2010, 08:11 PM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now?

4♠. Then let partner take control after that, you've now shown your hand.

[CSGibson]

jillybean, on May 7 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

bd71, on May 7 2010, 08:11 PM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H.  What now?

Find a new partner who will cue bid.

Actually, I think it's right for partner to bid hearts to confirm hearts, and for him to cue-bid to agree clubs. You know generally what partner's hand is, it's his job to set the strain, however, and let you move from there.

[jillybean]

CSGibson, on May 7 2010, 10:25 PM, said:

jillybean, on May 7 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

bd71, on May 7 2010, 08:11 PM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H.  What now?

Find a new partner who will cue bid.

Actually, I think it's right for partner to bid hearts to confirm hearts, and for him to cue-bid to agree clubs. You know generally what partner's hand is, it's his job to set the strain, however, and let you move from there.

Yes youre right, I misread the auction.

[gwnn]

bd71, on May 8 2010, 03:11 AM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H.  What now?

4n and bidding 6h when we are not off 2 keycards

[Free]

If you're not stopping below 6 level, you might as well bid 5NT and see if partner introduces ♣.

I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens.

[Cyberyeti]

Free, on May 10 2010, 03:25 AM, said:

I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens.

And you may well get what you deserve opposite KQx, KQ, AKJx, Kxxx where 6H/6N are cold, but 6C has no play. Don't bid bad suits on good hands.

Bid 4N, if partner has 5 clubs and an accept, he will bid 6C himself. You only lose opposite say KQx, Kx, Kxxx, AKQx where 6C is much better than the other slams.

I'm not sure I'd have started with 3D, as if partner has 5 spades I'm very happy to play in them so I'd have started with 3C (and basically would then show 5 hearts, 3 spades and a slam invite if partner does not have 5 spades).

[Free]

Cyberyeti, on May 10 2010, 02:44 PM, said:

Free, on May 10 2010, 03:25 AM, said:

I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens.

And you may well get what you deserve opposite KQx, KQ, AKJx, Kxxx where 6H/6N are cold, but 6C has no play. Don't bid bad suits on good hands.
~snip~

You created pretty much the only hand where we'll be screwed completely. There are way more hands where slam has some play. And just because we support ♣ doesn't mean we can't play NT anymore...

[bd71]

gwnn, on May 8 2010, 05:45 AM, said:

bd71, on May 8 2010, 03:11 AM, said:

So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H.  What now?

4n and bidding 6h when we are not off 2 keycards

This is how I proceeded. Partner had two keycards and the queen, so 6H it is...

...and RHO then leads A and K of clubs. Down one.

I was hoping some expert help through this thread might suggest whether there is a good a way to avoid this.

I guess the 4S bid is the one going idea...is that a uncontrovertibly a cue-bid, thus allowing partner to cue-bid diamonds and we diagnose our club weakness? Or could it be something else?

[Free]

If you play your super accepts differently, you can avoid this. With my partner, I play that step 1 (not NT) shows exactly 3 card support, higher steps are 4-5 card support and cuebid.

So:
2NT-3♦
3♠-3NT (3♠ shows 3♥ ; 3NT shows a ♠ cue)
4♦-4♥ (4♦ denies a ♣ cue ; 4♥ ends the auction)
pass

It's wrongsided and we showed opps what to lead, but at least we stayed out of slam. Disadvantage is that we can't find a 4-4 fit anymore once a Major fit has been established.

Another popular method is to accept the transfer with 3+ cards. In that case you have more space to cuebid and have a frivolous 3NT at your disposal.

[Jlall]

forcing to slam is super lol...we have 31-32 points including our stiff Q, how is that a slam force if we don't have a good fit?

[bd71]

Jlall, on May 11 2010, 04:39 AM, said:

forcing to slam is super lol...we have 31-32 points including our stiff Q, how is that a slam force if we don't have a good fit?

But once partner has confirmed hearts after 2N-3D-3H-4C-4H, would you proceed and if so how do you identify the missing AK of clubs?