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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2010-May-03, 10:18

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AQJT98x

IMPS, all red.

1♣ - (P) - 1♥ - (1♠)
2♣ - (2♠) - 3NT - (4♠)
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do you bid here?

if you pass, p will double. Do you bid over that?
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Posted 2010-May-03, 10:33

3c for me last time, i love the swan
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Posted 2010-May-03, 11:34

I will try leading my heart.
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Posted 2010-May-03, 12:41

Could someone please explain to me the meaning of "the Swan?"

Thanks.
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Posted 2010-May-03, 12:45

xxxx
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xxxxxxx

apparently the two little x's are the neck
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Posted 2010-May-03, 12:46

ArtK78, on May 3 2010, 01:41 PM, said:

Could someone please explain to me the meaning of "the Swan?"

Thanks.

it specifically refers to hands with 74xx (not in suit order) distribution. How it got the name I have no clue.
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Posted 2010-May-03, 12:59

pooltuna, on May 3 2010, 09:46 PM, said:

ArtK78, on May 3 2010, 01:41 PM, said:

Could someone please explain to me the meaning of "the Swan?"

Thanks.

it specifically refers to hands with 74xx (not in suit order) distribution. How it got the name I have no clue.

I seem to recall that it dates back to Culbertson (who was a masterful promoter)

I could easily be wrong...
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Posted 2010-May-03, 13:18

I thought it was Reese who discussed a 4♠117♣ or maybe 7♠114♣as a swan.

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looks more like a llama lol
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Posted 2010-May-03, 13:32

I would certainly pass partner's double - the hand is fine for defense and it sounds like partner has wasted junk in spades.

Is the first pass forcing after partner bids 3NT? If so, what does it tend to suggest? Extra clubs? Heart tolerance? Bad hand for defense?
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Posted 2010-May-03, 13:39

2C is a huge underbid, def bid 3C. Now I really have no clue, I guess I'd bid 5C.
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Posted 2010-May-03, 19:36

Definitely 3♣ last time. Now that I've put myself in this position I guess i have to bid since partner has no idea that my hand is anywhere near this offensive.
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Posted 2010-May-03, 19:42

yeh, but your underbid found partner with a 3NT bid, vul, anyway. Something you wouldn't have known if you had bid 3C. Then your pass suggested better offense than defense and partner doubled. How can you remove?
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Posted 2010-May-06, 15:14

aguahombre, on May 4 2010, 01:42 AM, said:

How can you remove?

cos we were planning on bidding 6 had he bid 4NT/5♣ himself, assuming we were planning to :P
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Posted 2010-May-06, 18:40

I'll lead the heart lol. Hopefully pard has doubed this.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 00:13

4N. If 3N was making, likely 4N is also, since we have a bit more offensive trick taking potential than partner would expect.
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