[Oren Goren]

Well, yes, EHAA is not artificial but surely filling out their CC is interesting!

Just how, please, do the best pairs respond to those undisciplined twos, even w/o interference.

And with interference by opener's LHO? This info could maybe/certainly help fine tune WELOS ones.

thanks!

oren

[dake50]

Wha-a-a-at? Wanting accuracy when the opening philosophy is best-guess wins??

[spotlight7]

Hi:

EHAA was normally used by pairs trying to handicap themselves.

A very good young pair used both EHAA and One Bid and still managed to win.

Transfers are the answer if you wish to bid more accurately.

Using EHAA, you have much more reason to want to change the contract.

2Z-2NT=transfer to clubs: to play, to force or to invite while showing club values.

2Z-3C*=transfer to Ds: as above

2Z-3D*=transfer to Hs: as above

Transfering to partner's suit is inv.+, while raising is a 'blocking' bid.

Regards,
Robert

[Oren Goren]

dake50, on Dec 25 2009, 04:57 AM, said:

Wha-a-a-at? Wanting accuracy when the opening philosophy is best-guess wins??

LOL

[Oren Goren]

spotlight7, on Dec 25 2009, 07:00 AM, said:

Hi:

EHAA was normally used by pairs trying to handicap themselves.

A very good young pair used both EHAA and One Bid and still managed to win.

Transfers are the answer if you wish to bid more accurately.


Regards,
Robert

hmmmm.

Thanks

oren

[Oren Goren]

dake50, on Dec 25 2009, 04:57 AM, said:

Wha-a-a-at? Wanting accuracy when the opening philosophy is best-guess wins??

LOL

I have no desire to play EHAA twos but I was wishing that someone who took seriously trying to manage things well when playing them might have some insight/principle that would help me out in my much more constructive system.

[akhare]

The F-N system certainly looks like an adaptation of EHAA (albeit with tighter 2 level opening requirements). You can try tweaking their opening range to see if that works better for the 2 level bids...

[Oren Goren]

akhare, on Dec 26 2009, 08:12 PM, said:

The F-N system certainly looks like an adaptation of EHAA (albeit with tighter 2 level opening requirements). You can try tweaking their opening range to see if that works better for the 2 level bids...

Thanks.

I previously read Dirksen's Fantunes file and did find what I like opposite my system weak NTs w/5-card majors (highly) possible (NF Stayman, Doubleton Major Relay), but their treatment of twos was of no help to me.

[The situations I sought insight for was to improve bidding after interference against 8-11/16+ one bids.]

Interesting idea that F-N might be related to EHAA. Will have to reread with that idea in mind!

[Gerben42]

Hello Oren,

Good to hear that you found some interesting ideas in my Fantunes system, I have had success playing it, as have others. I feel even the 9-12 two-bids are slightly unsound, so playing them EHAA style is simply destructive for your partnership and although you get to bid a lot, I would strongly advise against it.

[hrothgar]

For what its worth, I gave up on EHAA because of the weak two bids.

If you want something that is both very frequent and includes a vaguely coherent response structure you should check out assumed fit methods.

[SteelWheel]

@Oren: I think of F-N very much as a "sane" version of EHAA. With the two bids at 9-12, and guaranteeing a non 5332 shape, you've eliminated some of the truly roller-coaster type hands from a "standard EHAA" approach. Additionally, Randy Baron's EHAA pamphlet (now sadly out of print) laid out some groundwork at the very back of the book, for a system combining some aspects of a strong club approach with the EHAA two-bids (the two bids were now 5-10, with 11 counts being opened on the 1-level, as so many aggressive Precision players tend to play them).

Additionally, here's a writeup of Jari Boling's "EHAA+", in which 1♣ is either natural or most strong hands, and other 1 bids are capped at 18 HCP. Similar basic concept again:

http://users.abo.fi/...ridge/ehaap.pdf

[PrecisionL]

There is another thread with a good discussion of EHAA and F-N System. Using the search function will help bring new questions and answers into the postings.

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...59&hl=EHAA&st=0

[Oren Goren]

PrecisionL, on Dec 28 2009, 09:52 AM, said:

There is another thread with a good discussion of EHAA and F-N System. Using the search function will help bring new questions and answers into the postings.

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...59&hl=EHAA&st=0

Yes, an interesting thread!

Thanks.

[Oren Goren]

spotlight7, on Dec 25 2009, 07:00 AM, said:

Hi:

EHAA was normally used by pairs trying to handicap themselves.

A very good young pair used both EHAA and One Bid and still managed to win.

Transfers are the answer if you wish to bid more accurately.

Using EHAA, you have much more reason to want to change the contract.

2Z-2NT=transfer to clubs: to play, to force or to invite while showing club values.

2Z-3C*=transfer to Ds: as above

2Z-3D*=transfer to Hs: as above

Transfering to partner's suit is inv.+, while raising is a 'blocking' bid.

Regards,
Robert

Hmmmm.

I guess I'd have to see the whole schedule to figure out what all is implied in the responses you outline. They all seem positive, constructive, leaving no way to go from the frying pan into the fire?

Thanks

[Oren Goren]

Gerben42, on Dec 28 2009, 06:42 AM, said:

Hello Oren,

Good to hear that you found some interesting ideas in my Fantunes system, I have had success playing it, as have others. I feel even the 9-12 two-bids are slightly unsound, so playing them EHAA style is simply destructive for your partnership and although you get to bid a lot, I would strongly advise against it.

Thanks, 42!

BTW, your condensed transfers link fetches an error message, the geocities site not being available.

[Oren Goren]

SteelWheel, on Dec 28 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

@Oren: I think of F-N very much as a "sane" version of EHAA. With the two bids at 9-12, and guaranteeing a non 5332 shape, you've eliminated some of the truly roller-coaster type hands from a "standard EHAA" approach. Additionally, Randy Baron's EHAA pamphlet (now sadly out of print) laid out some groundwork at the very back of the book, for a system combining some aspects of a strong club approach with the EHAA two-bids (the two bids were now 5-10, with 11 counts being opened on the 1-level, as so many aggressive Precision players tend to play them).

Additionally, here's a writeup of Jari Boling's "EHAA+", in which 1♣ is either natural or most strong hands, and other 1 bids are capped at 18 HCP. Similar basic concept again:

http://users.abo.fi/...ridge/ehaap.pdf

Thanks,

I have now downloaded the file and will check it out.

[Oren Goren]

Well, i struck the jackpot of interesting replies.

So, dare I wish/hope y'all will check out my WELOS "card" on Find a Partner, and suggest:

A. best bidding by responder (opener?) when LHO interferes?
B. responding to 2S (or other twos)

Well, guess I did dare.

Thanks

[SteelWheel]

All of Gerben's stuff at geocities is no longer accessible. Geocities got shut down by Yahoo a few months ago. Any chance you can find a new home for them someplace, G?