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Misfit and a half

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Misfit and a half

  1. P (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  2. X (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4C (7 votes [70.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.00%

  4. 4H (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  5. Other (1 votes [10.00%])

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#1 User is offline   kayin801 

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Posted 2009-October-28, 13:50

Scoring: IMP

1♣*-P-2♣^-3♠-?

*: 16+ or equivalent value
^: 8+ GF, unbalanced, no 5 card major


That's the system, for better or worse on this hand. Pass is forcing, X is penalty.
What's your bid?

Followups:
Should I consider opening 1H or 2C?
If you pass, partner will bid 4D. Then what?
What would you do if 2C (or the equivalent 2 level bid) promised 8+ and 5+ diamonds specifically?
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:00

Pretty gross spot, I would just start by passing. Your 2C bid sucks but I'm sure you knew I'd say that :lol:
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:25

If I'm reading the question right, what's wrong with 4♣? Then 4♥ over the expected 4♦.

A forcing pass puts me in a box over 4♦ :lol:
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:41

Phil, on Oct 28 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

If I'm reading the question right, what's wrong with 4♣? Then 4♥ over the expected 4♦.

A forcing pass puts me in a box over 4♦ :lol:

Pass then 4H over 4D looks pretty good to me (showing 5 hearts). Of course if partner bids 5D over this I will think my auction was less good. That being said 4C then 4H doesn't show 5-6 obviously so you could miss a 5-3 fit that way pretty easily. That doesn't have to be the worst thing ever though.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 15:14

In precision, I open 1♥. I know it's gross but if I start 2♣ it's too easy to get passed out if we have game, and if I start 1♣ I feel too exposted to preemption. I just want to start bidding my suits. Here I'll bid 4♣, then if they bid 4♠ and partner doubles I'll feel decent about trusting it.

Edit: I'm so dumb today lol, for some reason in my head this was 12 + singleton jack, not 14. Ok have to open 1♣.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 15:28

Ok, Josh Now that you have finished with that, what do you do on the given...after 1c (etc.)?
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Posted 2009-October-28, 15:37

If LHO is going to bid 4S, bidding 4C would be better if you are going to sit for a double from partner. That is still a very scary proposition as it depends a lot whether he has values in hearts or diamonds which is pretty random.

Meanwhile I look forward to partner playing 3N when we are cold for a club slam!
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Posted 2009-October-28, 17:16

aguahombre, on Oct 28 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Ok, Josh Now that you have finished with that, what do you do on the given...after 1c (etc.)?

I answered that.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 17:18

jdonn, on Oct 28 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Oct 28 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Ok, Josh  Now that you have finished with that, what do you do on the given...after 1c (etc.)?

I answered that.

oh...I thought you meant after opening 1H....misunderstood the point at which you caught on.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 17:27

Had the intervention been 3♥, 4♥ with this same hand (but spades) would be fairly obvious, undoubtedly a Michaels-type bid.

So, IMO, there are three plausible options:

1. 4♠. Practical, showing what you have. Even if the auction is going above 4♠ anyway, a major risk is partner not giving you slack.

2. 4♣. Reasonable start, planning 4♥ later. If 4♠ does pop in, though, you might lose hearts, and 5♦ is really ugly.

3. Pass. IMO, that just seems like fear.

I think I'd go 4♠. Practical, and accurate on shape.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 19:26

Seems like a perfect hand for the 2N opening showing strong club values, 5/5+ distributional but without spades. This way you preempt the auction before they do B).
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