[ucrman]

I remember seeing someone's system where after the 1D response to 1C, the 1H and the 1S bids are forcing, possibly being only 4-cards in length. Does anyone have any information on this?

[olien]

This is certainly playable:

1H 4+H F1, possible longer minor
1S 4+S F1, possible longer minor
1N whatever range you want to play it as
2m natural NF, no 4-card major
2H+ however you want to play them

after 1C-1D// 1M recomment 1N as like a double negative and other bids showing varying degrees of support and strength.

[Phil]

olien, on Sep 17 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

This is certainly playable:

1H 4+H F1, possible longer minor
1S 4+S F1, possible longer minor
1N whatever range you want to play it as
2m natural NF, no 4-card major
2H+ however you want to play them

after 1C-1D// 1M recomment 1N as like a double negative and other bids showing varying degrees of support and strength.

You don't even need to make 1M forcing.

[PrecisionL]

If you do not like 1M forcing (which I have played for 10 years now) then you need to play 1♥ as 19+ Kokish style. See Adam Kaplan's system notes:

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfsxdknt_0t...b#_Toc240360575

Also see Dan Neils web page: http://bridgewithdan.com/systems/


Or, see my notes for Ultra Club [below] which uses 1♥ forcing with 4+♥ and 1♠ natural, but not forcing (Hmm, I think I now play that as forcing also!)

Matchpoint Precision (Wei and Anderson) and One Club Complete (Kathy Wei + Radin) both used the 1M approach forcing with 4+ cards.

Larry

Edit 9/18/09 21:20 Another thread on same theme:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=33857

[awm]

The 1M forcing approach helps a lot with awkward hand types like a major-minor canape or a strong three-suiter. Occasionally you lose when your best spot is 1M, but I'd rather be able to get to my best two-level partial (plus facilitate bidding when opener is really strong) than try to stop on a dime in 1M.

[straube]

RM Precision...
.....1H-4 cards, F1
..........1S-0-7, 4+ spades and less than four hearts
..........1N-0-4, F1
..........2C-6-7, artificial
...............2D-stuck, denies 6 hearts
...............2H-2-fit for hearts
..........2D-6-7, three+ hearts
...............2H-sign off
....................2S-4S and 3H
..........2H-0-4, four hearts
..........other-6-7 with 3-fit and suit shown
.....1S-4 cards, F1
..........1N-0-4, F1
...............2C-6-7, artificial
....................2D-stuck, denies 6 spades or four hearts
....................2H-can't remember, probably just hearts
....................2S-2-fit for spades
..........2D-6-7, three+ spades
..........2H-6-7, can't remember, probably 3 spades and 5 hearts
..........2S-0-4, spades
.....2H-forces 2S,
..........2S-forced
...............2N-GF, balanced 24+
.......................3C-puppet stayman
...............other-can't remember
.....2S-odd shapes, mostly minors with 5431s, almost GF, can't remember
.....2N-22-23 (the open 2N with 20-21)

I like relays with...

1C-1D, 1H=19+
.....1S-second negative
..........2C-GF

1C-1D, 1S-limited, requests 1N
.....1N-
..........2m-natural
..........2M-4M and unspecified 6-card minor

while...

1C-1D, 2C-both majors
.....2D-asks longer major

1C-1D, 2D-unspecified 6-card major
.....2H-no invite against hearts
..........2S-6 spades
.....2S-invite against hearts but not spades
.....2N-asks strength and major

1C-1D, 2M-5 card major and 4+ card minor
.....2N-asks strength and minor
.....3C-p/c

1C-1D, 2N-5/5 minors

[Jlall]

Phil, on Sep 17 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

olien, on Sep 17 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

This is certainly playable:

1H  4+H F1, possible longer minor
1S  4+S F1, possible longer minor
1N  whatever range you want to play it as
2m  natural NF, no 4-card major
2H+ however you want to play them

after 1C-1D// 1M recomment 1N as like a double negative and other bids showing varying degrees of support and strength.

You don't even need to make 1M forcing.

Ya you do