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Winstonm, on May 26 2009, 06:33 PM, said:
The CIA is a cancer on the Republic - if it is not removed, it will destroy its host.
what would you replace it with, assuming you think we need such an agency
cia vs. pelosi
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Posted 2009-May-27, 11:54
what would you replace it with, assuming you think we need such an agency
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Posted 2009-May-27, 17:37
luke warm, on May 27 2009, 12:54 PM, said:
Winstonm, on May 26 2009, 06:33 PM, said:
The CIA is a cancer on the Republic - if it is not removed, it will destroy its host.
what would you replace it with, assuming you think we need such an agency
Something with oversight and checks and balances - can't say what.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 21:30
Not, apparently, the oversight and checks and balances that are in place now.
In order to have oversight and checks and balances, you need to give to people whose only need to know is their oversight/check/balance function access to material the disclosure of which to other parties is likely to be detrimental to (a) ongoing operations (
agents of the US government personally © intelligence sources (d) probably other things I haven't thought of. As it stands now the people performing the oversight function are politicians. Politicians act primarily on a "what's best for me" agenda, rather than a "what's best for the country" one. The result of that is an intelligence community that is reluctant to tell their "overseers" anything, which leads to them being labelled "rogue". Frankly, I don't see any reasonable way around this.
In order to have oversight and checks and balances, you need to give to people whose only need to know is their oversight/check/balance function access to material the disclosure of which to other parties is likely to be detrimental to (a) ongoing operations (
agents of the US government personally © intelligence sources (d) probably other things I haven't thought of. As it stands now the people performing the oversight function are politicians. Politicians act primarily on a "what's best for me" agenda, rather than a "what's best for the country" one. The result of that is an intelligence community that is reluctant to tell their "overseers" anything, which leads to them being labelled "rogue". Frankly, I don't see any reasonable way around this.
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Posted 2009-May-28, 01:02
In regards to the CIA or Bush/Cheney, I assume the Hague can try people without them being there. I guess we need to ask why has the Hague court has not acted. Hopefully the Hague Court is not acting on the basis of politics. If so they perhaps maybe guilty and may need to be put on trial.
Lets just follow the law and put those who fail to act on trial.
Lets just follow the law and put those who fail to act on trial.
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Posted 2009-May-28, 02:05
This may sound strange but it seems the facts are:
1) The CIA is using killer flying robots in Pakistan.
2) They are using the robots to kill leaders of the resistance.
3) They use computers including networks in the sky to hone in on their communications and attack/kill the leaders of the resistance.
4) They use a network in the sky to control the robots.
5) They use these flying robots to attack training fields of the resistance.
6) The resistance continues to recruit, recruits include teenagers and women.
7) The resistance lives on and is growing.