[pclayton]

whereagles, on Feb 12 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

If you Michaels this, you might as well lay your cards on the table and let declarer play the hand that way.

I refuse to see things by this window only. There's a lot of good things that can happen and one can't just weight the bad ones. If you tell me "the minuses outweight the plusses" then I might accept the reasoning. But to point out the bad stuff only is biasing judgement.

LOL, Nuno, you didn't even provide a reason for 2♠. Like a trout on a lure, you look at the colors and the 5-5 and you jump at 2♠, not even considering the drawbacks.

The advantages to 2♠ are:

1. We might have a cheap sac in 5♥ or 5♣
2. We might get pard interested in the bidding and compete in a partscore with his flat 11.
3. We might get pard off a poor diamond lead in 3N.

I don't consider these to be substantial and yes I think the minuses of 2♠ do outweight the plusses.

[whereagles]

pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

1. LOL, Nuno, you didn't even provide a reason for 2♠.

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2. I don't consider these to be substantial and yes I think the minuses of 2♠ do outweight the plusses.

1. No reason is better than one-sided reasons only

2. Ok, better now. As I said, I would bid at these colors, but I must say I haven't had enough experience with butting-in/pass on hands like this. So yeah, you could easily be right, statistically speaking.

[han]

pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 01:21 PM, said:

1. We might have a cheap sac in 5♥ or 5♣
2. We might get pard interested in the bidding and compete in a partscore with his flat 11.
3. We might get pard off a poor diamond lead in 3N.

You forgot:

4. 2S might be the easiest way to reach a making 4H or 5C.
5. The opponents might have a harder time bidding over 2S than over 1S-p.

I do agree that 2S is a disgusting call, even though I said I would bid it. But when listing the advantages you might as well list all.

[rogerclee]

Pass. Bidding could turn out well here, but when it doesn't, it is likely to be a double-digit IMP swing. Plus I would like partner to not always expect such trash from me.