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pclayton, on Feb 8 2008, 08:39 AM, said:
Look, its from a book. A club simply has to be right 
Not "from" "for" a book.
How do you defend? A problem for a book
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Posted 2008-February-07, 18:07
Not "from" "for" a book.
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Posted 2008-February-07, 18:11
Hanoi5, on Feb 8 2008, 03:45 AM, said:
After:
1NT Pass 2♥ Pass
2♠ Pass Pass Double
Pass 3♣ 3♠ All Pass
You lead the ♣K, continue with the ♣Q wich is overtaken by partner who continues with another club, on winnig the ♣J, what do you return?
I want to know what spots partner plays and what our methods are.
If you play obvious switch then partner encourages on the opening lead for a heart and discourages for a diamond. Given that partner could switch to diamonds the discouragement and lack of diamond play would then suggest playing the fourth club whereas encouragement would suggest playing a heart now.
The problem with all of this is that partner didn't know how many clubs were cashing. Perhaps there is a clue there but I don't know what it means.
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Posted 2008-February-07, 18:35
Maybe I'm having a slow moment, but someone explain to me how a 4th club yields an extra trump trick with partner holding anything other than AJ tight (J9 for example)?
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Posted 2008-February-07, 18:55
brianshark, on Feb 8 2008, 02:35 AM, said:
Maybe I'm having a slow moment, but someone explain to me how a 4th club yields an extra trump trick with partner holding anything other than AJ tight (J9 for example)?
gives RHO a chance to err
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-February-07, 19:32
Cascade, on Feb 7 2008, 04:07 PM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 8 2008, 08:39 AM, said:
Look, its from a book. A club simply has to be right
Not "from" "for" a book.
Read the 2nd post of the thread.
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Posted 2008-February-07, 19:34
brianshark, on Feb 7 2008, 04:35 PM, said:
Maybe I'm having a slow moment, but someone explain to me how a 4th club yields an extra trump trick with partner holding anything other than AJ tight (J9 for example)?
AJ and possibly when pard has J9x on a pseudo-promotion.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 02:11
pclayton, on Feb 8 2008, 02:32 PM, said:
Cascade, on Feb 7 2008, 04:07 PM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 8 2008, 08:39 AM, said:
Look, its from a book. A club simply has to be right
Not "from" "for" a book.
Read the 2nd post of the thread.
And its your signature that says you seldom read past the opening post.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 06:01
agree with heart.
if pd wanted a promotion, he could've dropped his red ace (if he had one, and didn't have ♥Q) and then play 3rd ♣. that makes it down two so i doubt that's the case but i find that an important concept.
if pd wanted a promotion, he could've dropped his red ace (if he had one, and didn't have ♥Q) and then play 3rd ♣. that makes it down two so i doubt that's the case but i find that an important concept.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 12:45
Sambolino, on Feb 8 2008, 07:01 AM, said:
agree with heart.
if pd wanted a promotion, he could've dropped his red ace (if he had one, and didn't have ♥Q) and then play 3rd ♣. that makes it down two so i doubt that's the case but i find that an important concept.
if pd wanted a promotion, he could've dropped his red ace (if he had one, and didn't have ♥Q) and then play 3rd ♣. that makes it down two so i doubt that's the case but i find that an important concept.
Suppose partner doesn't hold a red ace? Certainly, if partner holds the AJ doubleton of spades and no red ace, the only way to defeat 3♠ is by playing the fourth round of clubs (assuming declarer does not misguess the spade suit).
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Posted 2008-February-10, 07:09
Pard can't have 3♠s. Pard needs exactly AJ for a true trump promotion and exactly J9 for a pseudo-trump promotion if declarer finesses (which he probably will) but on any other holding, this line seems futile. If this were at the table, we'd all have returned a heart within a few seconds. It's only because it's a book problem we're considering the trump promotion. I hate problems like these.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 11:46
I really think playing pard for a strong heart holding is playing partner to have made a mistake at T1.
If you want to go passive and try for two additional tricks thats a different matter, but it's very reasonable.
RHO has 12-14, we have 6 and LHO has 8, That leaves 8-10 for pard (after the ♣A) so there's room for 2 aces or an A / KQ.
If you want to go passive and try for two additional tricks thats a different matter, but it's very reasonable.
RHO has 12-14, we have 6 and LHO has 8, That leaves 8-10 for pard (after the ♣A) so there's room for 2 aces or an A / KQ.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 11:49
Cascade, on Feb 7 2008, 04:11 PM, said:
If you play obvious switch then partner encourages on the opening lead for a heart and discourages for a diamond.
The OS suit is diamonds, but that doesn't mean an encouraging club would call for a heart.
The only way to get a heart shift playing OS is for pard to play an unusual club spot.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 12:37
pclayton, on Feb 10 2008, 11:46 AM, said:
I really think playing pard for a strong heart holding is playing partner to have made a mistake at T1.
Why is that? If partner has ♣A and ♥AQ, he knows we are only beating this if three clubs are cashing. If he discourages at trick one, how can he know we are going to switch to hearts rather than spades?
Edit: oops I missed this was a weak NT. Hmm will rethink.
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