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Distributional but intermediate values

Poll: What is your call? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your call?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. 2C (18 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  4. 2H (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  5. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:23

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You are South. Partner opens 1 and RHO overcalls.

A hand from my BIL session this evening. There was much debate over the best call now and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:26

2. I intend to bid hearts later.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:32

I have no freaking idea what's best, I would try 2 but its easy to see how it can turn disastrous.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:41

Double, I wish to let partner know I probably have the other two suits as soon as I possibly can. Then if he bids one, I can be reasonably certain we have found our best fit.

I'm willing to bid clubs later, treating this more like a 4-6 hand due to the poor quality in the heart suit.

Evidently, the BIL's aren't the only ones who will have a lot of debate on this one.

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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:51

Agree with Gonzalo's sentiments but I chose Charles' line, without any conviction.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 15:25

I would bid 2C and gamble on them not bidding 4S next, but I certainly understand 2H and don't know which is better. My clubs are so much better and I have a shot at getting to pattern out so I'm just going to bid the clubs and hope. I really don't want to play a 5-2 heart fit ever.

The bid I really really REALLY dislike is double, it leaves you horribly placed and your hand is well worth bidding 2C now so doubling and bidding clubs is an underbid anyways.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 15:40

I think the most sensible action is 2. If pard tries 2, 2 nicely describes this, even though its a mild overbid.

If LHO bids 2, I'll try 3. If pard insists on 3 we have a 3 call.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:01

2C, though 2H is fine as well.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:32

2 for me with a great 6 carder to bid rather than bidding my mediocre 5 card suit. The most likely game for our side (noting that we usually have a decision to make over 4) is 5.

A negative double shows both suits, but here, we have so much distribution and PD won't expect it if we double. Therefore, I prefer 2
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:47

I'm in the 2C camp as well - seems most descriptive and least likely to cause much harm.

The main reason I'm against 2H is that it endplays partner in the bidding when I don't have enough hand to justify that action - If he's got something like xxxx, KJ, AKJxx, xx he is pretty well screwed over 1D-(1S)-2H-P-?
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Posted 2007-October-23, 05:31

I was in the 2 camp too, and now it will go 2 on your left and passed back to you.

Phil is for 3, any others?
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Posted 2007-October-23, 05:42

2, then after 2 p p, 3.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 06:38

I bid 2C here, and 3H when 2S is passed back to me. I strongly prefer just to bid my suits in the natural order when I possible can; if I need to call this hand a game force in order to do so, then I will.

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and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion


Let us know what they say when you hear from them...
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Posted 2007-October-23, 08:13

FrancesHinden, on Oct 23 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

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and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion


Let us know what they say when you hear from them...

The BILlies were equally sceptical ... in fact, I didn't dare publish their thoughts of 'experts'. Interestingly one attendant expert was (appropriately silently) adamant that 2 was the only call.

I'll resume my dictatorial role for the future.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 09:47

I bid 2 then hearts at my next turn up to 4. This works very badly if the next bid is 4, which is the one real time it works better to bid hearts first, so I don't knock that choice too hard. Double is not an option.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 10:57

2 + some nr. of clubs, unless a misfit is hinted.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 05:07

:P Thanks for the lesson everybody. :) I was going to double, but after reading this thread, 2 stands out as the clear winner, and clubs as our most probable strain. All I need from partner for game in clubs is: Axx in and KQ in . Even so, partner could easily be 6-4 in and , and the hand a horrible misfit. So, keeping the bidding level low at this point makes sense.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 05:48

I opted for 2C because that's what my hand looks like. It would be really convenient if double showed a hand this extreme, but it doesn't for me.

Like others I will bid 3H over 2S. If I had been given the problem as what do you bid over 3S when partner passes 2C, I suspect I would pass.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 08:58

If I play NFB 2 Club followd by 3 Heart is an extrem nice describtion of this hand.

If 2 Club was meant as forcing and I guess it was, then 3 HEart shows this hand with an additional ace somewhere and I would go the slow route and bid 3 Club as Phil.
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