[Fluffy]

All Vulnrable, dealer South. 2/1

S - N
1♠-2♥
4♦*-4NT
5♠*-6♥
7♥

♠AQ752
♥KJ1064
♦7
♣73


1♠: You had a 2♦ weak major 2 suiter avaible as an alternative.
4♦: Splinter
5♠: 2 Keycards and the trump queen (or lenght equivalent)
7♥: Idiotic bid, hope you didn't reach that far!

[mr1303]

1S - fine. This is too strong for a weak major 2 suited opening, even vulnerable.

4D - presumably you play that 3H would cover most semi-balanced hands with support, 4H would be a picture jump, showing good spades and hearts and no outside control? If so, I don't see any real alternatives, although I prefer to have something in clubs for making a splinter.

5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most.

7H - err?

[helene_t]

4♦ is obviously a matter of style. It's ok with me.

5♠ is correct. A known 10-card fit means that the queen cannot be lost. Not sure if I agree 100% with this because if we miss A and Q we have to guess the trump suit, but that's the idea.

I vited 7♥.

[matmat]

there's no option 20%4♦, 80%7♥.

i think it's just a tad light for the splinter, but i guess all the other alternatives suck too...

7♥ is just plain undisciplined and a partnership trust breach.

[matmat]

mr1303, on Oct 7 2007, 03:47 AM, said:

5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most.

is partner really asking with only one keycard?

[mr1303]

Certainly possible:

Kx
Axxxx
xxx
KQJ

opposite a diamond splinter I'd be rolling out the old black.

[Fluffy]

you can also add the ♥Q, the question is how unlikelly this hand is.

[mr1303]

Well, given the key card ask after the splinter, that suggests a lack of wastage in the diamond suit. I don't think it's that unreasonable.

[ArtK78]

I have absolutely no problem with the bidding until the final call.

7♥ is not possible.

[inquiry]

no way south can bid 7♥, his other bidding is fine.

[skjaeran]

I'd not have bid 4♦. But that's a question of style and agreements. OK if it fit partner's expectations.

7♥ simply doesn't exist. No reason to belive all keycards are there (in fact one should be missing when partner doesn't bid 5NT vs an unlimited hand).

[hatchett]

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5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most.

err... Partner shouldn't be blackwooding if he can't cope with one of the responses.
I agree with 5♠.
7♥ is obviously idiotic.

[mr1303]

What was partner's hand?

Would 6H have made?

[han]

Why even ask this question Gonzalo?

[cherdano]

hatchett, on Oct 7 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

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5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most.

err... Partner shouldn't be blackwooding if he can't cope with one of the responses.
I agree with 5♠.
7♥ is obviously idiotic.

If partner has one keycard and the trump queen, it is only a RKCB response with exactly 5 hearts and two keycards that would get him too high, so I wouldn't blame him for that.
Still, I agree with the 5♠ reply, as I think it is not so likely.

[neilkaz]

4♦ is aggresive bit would be my call. Good things happen with 10+ trump fits and a 5-5 hand.

5♠ showing the equiv. of the Q is normal with a minimum of a 10 card fit.

The 7♥ bid is absolutely insane ! You have nothing undisclosed in this auction and no reason to think that PD, who didn't try 5NT, has first round ♣ control, or that you don't have a loser elsewhere.

I wouldn't dream of 7♥ here and am not convinced that 6 is a clear cut make.

.. neilkaz .. 100% blame to 7♥

[hatchett]

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If partner has one keycard and the trump queen, it is only a RKCB response with exactly 5 hearts and two keycards that would get him too high, so I wouldn't blame him for that.

The example hand given was Kx Axxxx xxx KQJ. This is an obvious 4S call over 4D. If partner can't key card or bid 5♣ you rate to be off 2 aces.
I would have some sympathy if you held Kx AQxxx xxx KQJ but equally I would still expect 4♠ over 4♦ to get the job done if you are making slam.

[mike777]

1) Passing or bidding one spade is fine, just talk with partner so they know what an opening bid looks like.
2) 4D I think was way too much. 3H slam try would be just fine if partner knows you open on ten hcp.

[Fluffy]

I think you missed the point of 1♠ (and others)s Mike, you had a 2♦ opening avaible to show both majors and under-opening strenght, being vulnerable it seemed to me a strong option, but nobody seems to think the same.

Pass is out of the picture.