[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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East (RHO) deals and opens 1♣.
1. playing SAYC with a pickup partner on BBO, what do you bid?
2. Suppose that you agreed that DBL followed with bidding 1/2♠ shows 16/17+. Would you rather DBL or bid 1♠ with this hand? I mean: Is it more attractive to start with DBL then with 1♠ compared to a hand with eg ♦ and ♣ switched? What do/don't you like about this hand (I have no specific things in mind with this question, only wondering how to start evaluating a normal hand like this)?

Thanks,
Koen

[pbleighton]

I would bid 1S with this hand.

Switch clubs and diamonds, and I double.

Switch clubs and diamonds, make the diamonds stronger by an ace, and make the clubs a small stiff, and I bid 1S, then rebid diamonds aggressively.

Peter

[skjaeran]

Clear 1♠ IMO, not close to double.
That goes even if you switch the minors, but I know many would double then.

[jtfanclub]

Close to an X playing in partnerships with a light X + suit, but still a 1♠ bid.

While I do like that style, and I play it in some partnerships, it has to be a good 16.

AKQxx
xx
x
AQJxx

Same count, but now I'll X-and-suit playing the light version.

Playing the normal version, this isn't close.

[mike777]

1s clear. Double would not even cross my mind as an option.

[gwnn]

i'd sooner contemplate 1NT on this hand than X. 1♠ is very clear.

[Echognome]

You could give me the ♥A instead of the ♥Q and I'd still bid 1♠. If you give me both the ♥A and Q, it's getting close to double then spades.

[inquiry]

1♠ is clear

[P_Marlowe]

#1 1S
#2 1S, I am not in the upgrading / downgrading
business, but there are certainly better 16/17+ hands
out there
If the minors are switched dbl gets more attractive,
since you now have the chance to find a 2nd trump
suit

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

(1c)-1S-All Pass

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1♠+3
Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Clearly he should raise ♠, but I wondered if my hand was maybe nice enough to start with a double.
I would normally raise to 3♠ with a 4-card support, but partner's hand is too defensive which makes 2♠ the better bid?
Bidding should go?:
(1C)-1S-(P)-2S
(p)-4S

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Jul 22 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1c)-1S-All Pass

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1♠+3
Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Clearly he should raise ♠, but I wondered if my hand was maybe nice enough to start with a double.
I would normally raise to 3♠ with a 4-card support, but partner's hand is too defensive which makes 2♠ the better bid?
Bidding should go?:
(1C)-1S-(P)-2S
(p)-4S

The simple raise is enough.
Move the Queen of clubs to diamonds and we
may start talking about 3S, although given
the vulnerability, 2S is still enough.

The single raise has the widest band width, thats
why people use some artifical bids to differentiate,
but I would not bother until one has fixed more
urgent holes.
Over 2S, I would as South maybe only invite, given
the wide range of the raise, and if I invite, expect that
North passes.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[skjaeran]

After 1♠ raised to 2♠ by partner I'd just bid game.
But if I decided to invite, I think advancer has an automatic accept. He's close to minimum, but the 4th trump is great.

[Echognome]

kgr, on Jul 22 2007, 08:16 AM, said:

Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠.

Anyone who sits there and passes with 4 card support is not someone whom I would want to take bidding advice from.

You are in much better position with an overcall then double rather than a double then having to bid a suit in some uncomfortable situations; a reasonable possibility being partner jumping in your short suits.

[neilkaz]

Echognome, on Jul 22 2007, 01:56 PM, said:

kgr, on Jul 22 2007, 08:16 AM, said:

Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠.

Anyone who sits there and passes with 4 card support is not someone whom I would want to take bidding advice from.

You are in much better position with an overcall then double rather than a double then having to bid a suit in some uncomfortable situations; a reasonable possibility being partner jumping in your short suits.

Agreed !!

[jdonn]

Echognome, on Jul 22 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

You could give me the ♥A instead of the ♥Q and I'd still bid 1♠. If you give me both the ♥A and Q, it's getting close to double then spades.

Well be fair. If the hearts were AQ it's a pretty obvious double to me, 1♠ would just be begging to miss a game. I don't even think double is awful if the hearts were Ax but most of my friends would disagree, and in any case I would still consider it inferior to an overcall. On the actual hand double sux and would never cross the mind of any good player.