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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2007-January-09, 16:54

MP's; None Vul
You have A=Jx=Kxx=AT9xxxx
Partner starts the bidding with a pass:
p-(3S)-??
what call do you prefer?
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Posted 2007-January-09, 17:05

pass...not close.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 17:05

kgr, on Jan 10 2007, 12:54 AM, said:

MP's; None Vul
You have A=Jx=Kxx=AT9xxxx
Partner starts the bidding with a pass:
p-(3S)-??
what call do you prefer?

Pass - I prefer to wait for their possible mistakes.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 17:24

This is a classic example of a hand on which we'd like to bid: we'd like to bid 4♣ and have partner play us for this hand. The problem is that 4♣ shows a better hand and a better suit (altho the 7th card makes up for the missing honour(s) to a modest degree.

Partnership discipline requires a pass.... and, as Justin says, it isn't really a close call...

Too bad if they bid 4♠ and it makes while 5♣ is either a good save or making... the best methods in the world get you poor results on occasion and you have to learn to live with it.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 22:41

I compete really aggressively over preeempts, sometimes too aggressively, but this just isn't good enough for 4♣, but I consider it reasonably close.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 01:48

I think it is close between pass and pass. Mikeh had a wonderful explanation why.

I wonder, if anybody still passes after
pass (3 ♠) pass (4 ♠)
pass pass?

I would if the 4 Spade call comes with some confidence and would not else.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 02:11

I think 4♣ is reasonably safe, provided pard is knowledgeable enough not to raise with 7-8 hcp. The reason is pard is a passed hand. He won't be bidding game unless he has a good pass and, opposite a good pass, game might make after all.

I would bid 3NT if pard weren't a passed hand (intending to remove myself to 4♣ if doubled loudly.. lol).
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Posted 2007-January-10, 02:32

novice here but....ace of s seems defensive..so pass with non offensive hand?
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Posted 2007-January-10, 04:35

4C.

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PS: Ouch, I forgot, that I play 4C
as a two suiter, hence I have to pass.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 12:00

Pass. If pard weren't a passed hand, this would be a tougher problem.

Would any of you overcall 3♣ over TWO spades with this?
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Posted 2007-January-10, 12:26

pclayton, on Jan 10 2007, 08:00 PM, said:

Would any of you overcall 3♣ over TWO spades with this?

I would (but I would be prepared to go down in 3N if partner has, say, ♠Kxx and ♣Kx and some points in the red suits).
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Posted 2007-January-10, 15:09

pclayton, on Jan 10 2007, 12:00 PM, said:

Pass. If pard weren't a passed hand, this would be a tougher problem.

Would any of you overcall 3♣ over TWO spades with this?

Since I am reasonably close to calling 4♣ here, I'd bid 3♣ over a weak 2♠ instantly.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 16:34

Pass, what else? :P
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Posted 2007-January-10, 18:14

pclayton, on Jan 10 2007, 06:00 PM, said:

Pass. If pard weren't a passed hand, this would be a tougher problem.

Funny thing, this bridge... I think exactly the opposite:)
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Posted 2007-January-11, 11:48

Pass - but I think it is close. 4C may work out well. Give partner a modest 9 points like xxx Kxx AQxx xxx and 5C makes.
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