[Al_U_Card]

Scoring: IMP

p - p - 1♣- 1♠
dbl-2♠-2NT- p -
???

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What should pard's hand be and should we continue and how?

[mike777]

Al_U_Card, on Jan 12 2006, 03:29 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

p - p - 1♣- 1♠
dbl-2♠-2NT- p -
???

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What should pard's hand be and should we continue and how?

May I please go back and open a weak 2D in first seat fav vul?
May I please go back and bid 2D over 1s which would be forcing but not promise a rebid .

[awm]

There are some questions about the meaning of the auction. I'll assume that partner's 2NT is natural, showing 18-19 balanced (approximately); certainly good/bad is a reasonable interpretation, and a weaker balanced hand might be possible (if partner's a lunatic, or if you play weak notrump openings).

In this auction I think 3♦ or 3♥ should be forcing, even though these both show hands too weak to bid their suit directly over 1♠. The target of a non-game contract after partner shows 18-19 is too narrow to be worth trying to hit it.

I'll go with 3♦, planning to bid 4♥ next if partner tries 3NT. This conveniently shows both the shape (why bid hearts again when your negative double already showed hearts, holding only four?) as well as strength (with a good 5-6 surely I would start with 2♦).

[inquiry]

abstain... I have to admit I would open WEST hand 1♦ (gasp... yes, this is a Zarfull 26 plus bonuses for concentration -- if you can call it that -- honors in two suits). If I was filling in for someone who passed this and was called away to rescue a cat stuck in a tree, I would rebid 2♦ here. But question, is 2NT here (after they bid and raised spades) suppose to be the beginning of good/bad 2NT? If so I still rebid only 3♦, but would be nice to now for future reference.

[mike777]

Not sure why everyone is rebidding 3d over p 18-19 2nt bid. Would that not show more slam interest with more hcp and/or more balanced hand? I would just bid 5d now but thanks for letting me object to my first two bids . Partner knows I got 8 hcp somewhere outside of spades.

It seems 3d would show something like:
xx=Axxx=AQxxx=xx
or even
x=AJxx=AQxxx=xxx

[Al_U_Card]

NOT good-bad 2NT. I took it for 18-19 with 2 sure ♠ stoppers in NT. My question relates to whether 3♥ showing 5 is more descriptive than the weaker sounding 3♦ that might be made on ♦ only.......????

[mikeh]

I bid 3♦ now (over 2N) content in the knowledge that partner will often bid 3♥ 'on the way' with a 3 card suit, and thus allow me to back into that suit.

I will pass 3N: I agree that bidding 3♦ and then pulling to 4♥ shows this shape, but I am not fond of 5-2 fits at the 4-level, when the 5 card suit is weak, and a 6-3 5♦ contract does not fill my heart with joy either. If my partner bids 2N then 3N he gets to see dummy.

This is not a slam move: as Justin says, bidding should be aimed firstly at finding the correct strain for game and only after strain is established do we, in ambiguous auctions, begin to bid towards slam: this approach is sumarized as 'game before slam'.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi

3D, at least after a couple of rounds,
I need to show where I live, partner
does not have a 4 card heart suit,
he has wastage in spade, and he will
have +18HCP.

If 2NT was artificial, i.e. good/bad or Lebensohl,
I would bid 3C, to see, what partner wants me to tell.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[luke warm]

3D ... i'll go read the other comments now, but i'd guess partner is 3235 or maybe even 4144

[Kalvan14]

The pass as dealer is fine. I disagree with the double on the 2nd round. The auction can easily come back at 3 (or 4)♠. This hand is good enough to start showing suits: I'd bid 3♦.

If I was making a phone call, and someone subbed for me the 1st 2 rounds of bidding, now (fronting a balance 18-19 HCP, even with wasted values in spades) I would bid 4♦: clearly an "impossible" bid, can only show a red 2-suiter [if it is too unconventional for your tastes, try 3♠, followed by 4♦]

[Codo]

3 Diamond, as this shows a red two suiter, at least with 10 red cards.
Else, I can bid Clubs or NT, or a neboulous overcall.
PD will bid 3 Heart with 3 HEarts, so I can easy find the right spot.
PD will understand, as I have no onesuiter, else I had open or bid it earlier and no balnced hand. And he won´t think about slam, after all, I passed as dealer...

[Al_U_Card]

Scoring: IMP

Not crazy about 3NT after 3D, I pulled to 4H and every card was wrong
so 3NT was also down 3.....

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[adhoc3]

Passed hand, negative double and 3D, precise description.

I dont like 2NT, neither 3NT, however understand it's a hard time. I'll try double 2S, pard will understand that I suggest penalty.

Regards,