Have your cake and eat it too?
#1
Posted 2011-March-16, 23:51
P (1♣) to you
AK965, K3, A73, QJ8
If you bid 1N (or tell me why 1♠ is better) and the auction continues..
P (1♣) 1N (2♦*) *transfer
P (2♥) ?
Will you bid 2♠ now?
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#2
Posted 2011-March-17, 02:52
jillybean, on 2011-March-16, 23:51, said:
P (1♣) to you
AK965, K3, A73, QJ8
If you bid 1N (or tell me why 1♠ is better) and the auction continues..
P (1♣) 1N (2♦*) *transfer
P (2♥) ?
Will you bid 2♠ now?
Depends on the system you agreed with P.
Playing SAYC, this hand is a little too strong for an overcall of 1♠. I would prefer to overcall 1NT, which I think superior to the double, because it better discribes the hand. Besides, this is a hand on which I would open 1NT, to avoid the rebid problem after a 1♠ opening.
Playing BWS2001: you can bid 1♠, because partner knows you can have up to 18H.
On the proposed bidding sequence, I must pass, partner can have 5 litlle ♥ and nothing else. In that case it is clear that the opener has all the rest, which could justify his reverse bidding: or is it just a strength showinw cue-bid ? I would only consider a double with 3♥ with 2 tophonners.
#3
Posted 2011-March-17, 04:02
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I'm ok with 1NT or 1♠ the first round, although I must say I probably wouldn't have tried 1NT unless I was playing puppet stayman.
#4
Posted 2011-March-17, 04:13
2♠ is a little agressive, but it is kind of a pre-balance. It depends also on your agreements of the actions partner could have taken on the 2♦ transfer.
#5
Posted 2011-March-17, 04:43
If I overcall 1NT then I find it very easy to bid 2S here. If it goes for a number that's just too bad. I have a good hand and good spades. I am not passing.
#6
Posted 2011-March-17, 04:55
Being nonvul I might have bid 1NT. It does get my values across, after all, which I might not achieve if I start with 1♠.
Something else: it is unusual to play transfers in this situation. If I am not confident that opps know what they are doing then that's an extra reason for passing.
#7
Posted 2011-March-17, 05:16
As an aside, all the role models here on the forums seem to agree with this (not my half-baked reasoning, but the tendency to overcall 1M and not 1NT).
George Carlin
#8
Posted 2011-March-17, 11:26
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#9
Posted 2011-March-17, 12:37
#10
Posted 2011-March-17, 12:59
Hi Helene, transfers are used after 1m (1N) by a few players in this part of the world, they weren't bunnies.
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(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#11
Posted 2011-March-17, 13:47
jillybean, on 2011-March-17, 12:59, said:
Not in my (or the aforementioned role models') opinion.
George Carlin
#12
Posted 2011-March-17, 13:53
gwnn, on 2011-March-17, 13:47, said:
So let me clarify, opposite an UPH you would overcall 1N?
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#13
Posted 2011-March-17, 14:01
(1) You are less likely to have game on power after the opponents have opened. Of course it is still possible to have 25-26 hcp or whatever, but by far the majority of your games will be based on a major suit fit. For this reason showing your spades (hoping to catch a raise) is likely better than bidding notrump to show the point count.
(2) A competitive auction is more likely once the opponents have opened. LHO will bid pretty aggressively if he has a suit (or a club raise) because he knows his partner has some stuff. For this reason it is helpful to show your suit right away, so partner can compete further and you are not left guessing whether to introduce spades at the two-level. 1NT is also a lot easier to penalize than 1♠ in case partner shows up with a yarboro.
(3) The 1NT opening has the effect of "siding" most contracts to you (i.e. you will declare notrump, you will declare a heart contract after a transfer). When the opponents values are mostly going to be in one hand (opener's) you often want that person to be on lead. This means some contracts tend to play better from partner's side even though you have more values.
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#14
Posted 2011-March-17, 14:22
jillybean, on 2011-March-17, 13:53, said:
I would not overcall 1NT ever. Sorry, I misread your question.
George Carlin
#15
Posted 2011-March-17, 17:57
#16
Posted 2011-March-17, 18:10
Having overcalled 1NT I think bidding 2♠ now is pretty clear, passing is just bad.
#17
Posted 2011-March-17, 19:49
jillybean, on 2011-March-17, 12:59, said:
Hi Helene, transfers are used after 1m (1N) by a few players in this part of the world, they weren't bunnies.
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If they transfer on four cards to the Jack, even if it includes the Ten, they are definitely something!
#18
Posted 2011-March-17, 22:48
On these cards, if I overcall 1♠ my partner is putting me in 3♠ at their next bid, down on a club ruff. With the 1nt overcall first, they MAY decide to defend at the 3 level.
Doesn't work out here but that's just hindsight. Pard can decide to bid 3 spades, get doubled and go for -200 or take a stand on defence with the max info I'm able to provide and I would be happy to get this one right more than 50% of the time
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#19
Posted 2011-March-18, 05:05
jillybean, on 2011-March-17, 12:59, said:
Hi Helene, transfers are used after 1m (1N) by a few players in this part of the world, they weren't bunnies.
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even vulnerable, as E, I would bid 3♠ now. We have a 9card fit.... It is taking insurance.....
#20
Posted 2011-March-18, 05:33
Lurpoa, on 2011-March-18, 05:05, said:
Insurance against what? 3H? Spare me!
3S is at least 1 off and probably 2.